Cerberus and Charon, gatekeepers to the underworld and land of the dead, are the chosen names for the life-threatening heat waves blasting Europe and elsewhere. Man-fuelled climate change may be a partial cause but before melting into a frazzle of anxiety about the end being nigh it is instructive to look at wiki’s list of heat waves over the centuries. They are not exactly new events. 1913 saw the hottest record temperature ever in California’s Death Valley at 57C which the present spike is likely to equal.
Astrology and weather forecasting are not well-aligned but looking back over notable heat waves and droughts in the past – for some there are astrological parallels.
1913 had Pluto square the North/South Node axis with tr Neptune trine/sextile.
This year tr Pluto is also square the North/South Node axis; and is trine Uranus, sextile Neptune.
Previous highlighted droughts:
1540: Neptune conjunct North Node trine/sextile Uranus opposition Pluto.
1743: Neptune trine Pluto conjunct the South Node.
1757: Neptune conjunct North Node trine Pluto and opposition Saturn with Pluto square Uranus.
1896: North Node opposition South Node square Uranus (Saturn) with Neptune trine the South Node.
Those are only a few. The Nodal connections seemed to be markers which means the Eclipse charts will be a guide. Pluto is in there for some adding a mega-factor. And Neptune in its hallucinatory, heat-haze, not watery guise, adds a layer of panic.
Derek Malcolm, ‘a giant among critics’ and film world darling, has died. His early life was stranger than any movie and he wandered through a chequered career before finally finding his fate as one of the world’s leading film critics aged 40.
He was born 12 May 1932 in London, long after his father, on returning unexpectedly from military service in World War One had shot his mother’s lover. After a sensational murder trial he was let off on justifiable homicide, having claimed he was defending his wife’s honour. They remained unhappily hitched thereafter and never spoke of it.
Young Malcolm was boarded at crammers from the age of four, thence to Eton, where he learned to ride and discovered a gift for words. His family home was oppressive so he escaped during school holidays in daily visits to the cinema and later squeaked into Oxford, the Warden being one of his mother’s lovers, and joined the Film Society.
Thereafter he tried to get into publishing, became an amateur National Hunt jockey, started an acting career in the theatre. After three years in repertory on the South Coast, he became a gossip writer, racing correspondent, then deputy film critic before ascending to the role itself in 1971.
What is is fascinating about his life looking backwards is it seems blindingly obvious what he was designed to be. Yet he was forty before he found his destiny. Or it found him.
Another twist came on his father’s death in 1969 when an aunt wrote to say he was not his biological father at all. Maybe happening around the same period of his life that was not a coincidence.
He had a Taurus Sun conjunct Chiron – ‘damaged and chosen’ – and that sat on the midpoint of a trine between influential Pluto and the North Node in filmic Pisces which seems apt; as well as being in a confident square to Jupiter in flamboyant Leo. His Mars in Taurus was in a showbizzy trine to Neptune, sextile Venus which would suit him for the glamour world of stars and film makers. His Moon in Leo was probably opposition Saturn square Mars – which fairly describes a bleak childhood. His Mercury in upfront Aries was conjunct Uranus and square Pluto – giving him a facility for words, a mischievous sense of humour and a quirky take on life.
An out of the ordinary life produced a singular talent.
Royal favourites from ordinary backgrounds enjoy immense privilege while their patrons are alive but are ousted at speed once their rarefied position disappears.
What is intriguing is that the three recent ones – Angela Kelly (Queen Elizabeth’s dresser), Billy Tallon (Queen Mother’s steward) and Michael Fawcett (senior valet to the then Prince Charles) are/were all Scorpios. Discreet and determined, plotters and strategists.
A West End play this autumn will celebrate ‘Backstairs Billy‘ Tallon, who worked for the Royals since he was 15 and was with the Queen Mother from King George VI’s death in 1952 until she died. Given the stories that came out of Clarence House over the years one assumes the reality will be toned down. He was described as ‘loyal but louche, diligent but drunk, discreet in word but indiscreet in life’, he rarely left her side and presided over what became known as ‘a glorious gin palace’. Her capacity for tippling was legendary and he had carte blanche to feed his own alcohol habit which eventually killed him when he was 72. The miracle is the Queen Mother tottered on to 101.
Billy was an elegant, bouffant-haired flunkey, who was gay with a steady partner, but not above seducing young pageboys. The parties in his quarters, according to all reports, were wild. He only survived five years after her death, having become institutionalized after almost an entire life in service.
Born 12 November 1935, he was a Sun Scorpio trine Pluto, with his Sun conjunct her Scorpio Moon and his Gemini Moon conjunct her Pluto, both of them having Jupiter in Sagittarius. It does rather confirm her birth date of 4 August 1900 which was always questionable. Their relationship chart was complex with an exuberant Mars trine Jupiter trine Neptune; and a dominating Mars opposition Sun square Pluto – as with all servant/master relationships it is always a moot point over the long haul who has the upper hand.
Angela Kelly, 4 November 1957, Liverpool, is oddly a Scorpio Sun square Uranus which does not sound an easy fit for a restrictive Royal setup especially since her Uranus was conjunct Queen Elizabeth’s Moon. But both share an upbeat Mars Jupiter conjunction which would help and Angela K’s Neptune opposed the Queen’s Taurus Sun for caring and/or softening the chemistry between them.
Their relationship chart had a friendly Sun Venus conjunction opposition a possessive/controlling Pluto – so an important partnership but one in which power played an outsized role.
Michael Fawcett, 6 November 1962, a Sun Neptune in Scorpio with Mercury and Venus in Scorpio as well, he does resonate with King Charles with his Venus conjunct Chas’ Sun. F’s Sun Neptune squares Mars in Leo which is conjunct Chas’s Pluto for a tricky crossover where again power and submission are issues – though it tends to be a shifting seesaw over time. Fawcett’s Jupiter opposes Chas’ Saturn so he would have a cheering-up function. Their relationship chart has a workmanlike Sun Saturn conjunction in a chained together square to Pluto which would be helpful for large scale projects – with a dash of adventure thrown in.
Queen Victoria’s favourite John Brown, 8 December 1826, wasn’t a Scorpio and was anyway a relationship of a different order. His Sagittarius Sun fell in her 7th so he would be there as a steady support in the absence of Prince Albert after his death. Brown’s Mars in Aquarius was conjunct her Jupiter and his Jupiter was in her playful 5th house.
Mars Jupiter is a running theme in these relationships and given the relentless pressure of a Royal lifestyle maybe one of the functions of the favourite is to act as the equivalent of the court jester – to add sparkle and cheer to the grind and gravitas of monarchical duties.
Singer and actress Jane Birkin, France’s favourite “petite Anglaise”, has died after a long battle with cancer. Famous for the erotic ‘Je t’aime’ which the BBC banned and the Pope deplored when she was entwined in a tumultuous relationship with Serge Gainsbourg, she became embedded into French culture, acting in 70 arthouse films, and singing and writing as well.
She was born 14 December 1946 3pm London, with a war-hero father, a diva mother and a miserable childhood at boarding school. She broke into movies early on, married composer John Barry 13 years her senior which only lasted three years, had a daughter and then met Serge Gainsbourg, the French singer/songwriter. They never married but remained friends for life even after a turbulent relationship which was at times she has said violent and she remained distraught after his death in 1991.
She had a Sagittarius Sun conjunct Mars in her 7th house so would prefer to be in in a partnership and would be attracted to challenging and assertive men. But she would have contradictory impulses with a freedom-loving, unconventional 1st house Uranus. Her North Node conjunct her Ascendant suggests a lack of a strong sense of identity and a need through life to stand on her own two feet and be independent. A complicated mix.
She had a seductively charming and sexy Jupiter Venus in Scorpio in her 6th house of work but it squared a bleak Saturn Pluto in her 4th, a legacy from her unhappy childhood. A creative, musical and filmic Neptune in her 5th house gave her performing talent as a channel for her pent-up feelings. She had three children, one with John Barry who died in her late forties, and one with Gainsbourg and a third with a film director whom she never married.
Her Jupiter Venus which is often a fashion-business astro-signature would also explain the Birkin bag, which Hermes named after her.
Gainsbourg, 2 April 1928 4.55am Paris, had his Saturn in her 7th conjunct her Sun and opposition her Uranus so he would be critical and restrictive leading to eruptions. Though his Midheaven also fell in her 7th so his relationship with her no doubt helped on the career front. Most notably his Sun, Jupiter and Uranus in Aries fell in her 11th giving them a bond of friendship when togetherness became too fraught.
Their relationship chart was dominated by a high-vitality composite Jupiter Mars which was in a cruel, dominating opposition Pluto with a tussle for the upper hand built into the dynamic. Not healthy but they both survived it.
Milan Kundera and Victoria Amelina, both distinguished East European writers with first-hand experience of Russian authoritarianism, have died within days of each other.
Milan Kundera, 1 April 1929 Brno, Czechoslovakia, started out as an enthusiastic Communist party member in his youth but was latterly expelled as he spoke up in 1970 during the clampdown that followed the 1968 Prague Spring, of which he was one of the leading voices, publicly calling for freedom of speech and equal rights for all. He was blacklisted, fired from his teaching job and eventually moved to France, losing his Czech nationality. His novel The Unbearable Lightness of Being brought him to prominence and he was nominated several times for a Nobel Prize.
Victoria Amelina, 1 January 1986, Kiev, Ukraine, was raised in the shadow of Russia, learning the language and attending a summer camp for Russian youth. Her grandparents had lived through “the great famine” of the early 1930s, in which millions of Ukrainians were starved to death under Stalin’s orders. They protected their children by raising them to speak Russian. She worked in IT, became politically active in 2013, when she joined the bloody protests after Ukraine’s President Yanukovych rejected closer ties with Europe in favour of Moscow. She wrote two novels, the second of which was shortlisted for the Unesco City of Literature Prize and the European Union Prize for Literature. After the start of the war she trained as a war crimes researcher, working with a human rights organisation called Truth Hounds, recording the atrocities witnessed by survivors. She was killed when a Russian rocket exploded in a pizza restaurant. A few days before the attack she had sent a draft of her first non-fiction project, War and Justice Diary: Looking at Women Looking at War, to a friend with a note attached: “just in case”.
What stands out in each chart is a stark Mars Pluto conjunction – describing the fear of their upbringing. Mars Pluto can give courage and unrelenting determination in the face of ruthless/brutal authority figures who hold the power of life and death.
Kundera was a Sun Aries conjunct Uranus squaring onto Mars Pluto and Saturn in Capricorn, so he had a stark and resourceful chart. He was evidently a believer in astrology, not surprisingly with such a Uranus in his chart.
He said: – “The hands on the dial of a clock turn in a circle. The zodiac, as drawn by an astrologer, also resembles a dial. A horoscope is a clock. Whether we believe in the predictions of astrology or not, a horoscope is a metaphor of life that conceals great wisdom.”
Amelina was a Sun, Venus, Neptune in Capricorn which was sextile a ferociously single-minded Mars Pluto in Scorpio. She would head for danger without a second thought.
Both had their North Node in Taurus hinting at a life long search for peace after turbulence.
Both had marked writers’ 21st Harmonic.
We in the west have no idea how easy life is compared to the experiences of those who grew up and have to cope in eastern Europe on the borders of the marauding bear.
Spain is heading for a surprise early election as the PM Pedro Sanchez, despite low showing in the polls, hopes the electorate will react against the far-right (anti-feminist/anti-immigration/anti-LBGTQ+ and tough on Gibraltar) party VOX. Santiago Abascal, the eccentric and excitable Vox leader, is unlikely to win but he could be kingmaker in a new right-wing coalition. Sanchez in since 2018 has done much to calm the issue of Catalan independence, has coped with Covid/Ukraine and has an inflation rate of 1.9% to his credit.
The winner is expected to be Alberto Núñez Feijóo, leader of the mainstream conservative Popular Party (PP) but without an absolute majority.
Sanchez, 29 February 1972, a Sun Pisces square Neptune and square Saturn has been through a disastrous few weeks recently but he does have tr Jupiter trine his Mars over the election which will lift his spirits though that could also be as a result of being relieved of the burden of office.
His 2 June 2018 Term chart, is not in good shape and looks undermined and seriously rattled at the moment.
Feijoo, 10 September 1961 Galicia, a Sun Pluto in Virgo with Saturn Jupiter conjunct in Capricorn. He does have tr Pluto conjunct his Jupiter now which normally would bode well (except look at Huw Edwards with the same) – but he also has an upbeat tr Uranus opposition his Sun/Jupiter midpoint now which will bring a stroke of luck. So despite a confused Solar Arc Pluto conjunct his Neptune he might make it and then live to regret it since late August onwards for a couple of years ahead looks like a minefield of sink holes.
Santiago Abascal, 14 April 1976 Bilbao, the VOX leader, a Sun Aries square Saturn, with Venus in Aries in a seductive/manipulative opposition to Pluto square a fiery, volatile Mars, will be buoyed up with tr Pluto square his Sun/Jupiter midpoint till late July and again on and off through 2024. So something is going his way.
Though the VOX 17 December 2013 chart is not as clear cut with too much Neptune around this year.
Former bullfighter Vicente Barrera, 29 July 1968, VOX’s poster boy, a Sun Leo with a Saturnine yod, is not quite as sanguine about victory now as he was a few weeks back and is facing a disastrous mid August inwards.
Elections are always a pot pourri of influences, good and bad, and polls are rarely to be trusted. But Feijoo and Abascal might just cobble a coalition together.
What is certain is that Spain is moving through an exceptionally pressured year with its Solar Arc Pluto conjunct the Scorpio Sun this year, which will feel stuck. Then tr Uranus moves into the 4th house opposition the Midheaven in 2024 which could see the start of internal unrest for several years thereafter. 2025 to 2027 in particular look exceptionally tough going with tr Saturn Neptune in an undermining square to the Spain Mars in 2025/26 and tr Pluto opposition the Spain Saturn and square Uranus in 2024 to 2026.
Hollywood has ground to a halt with actors and writers on strike over earnings for the lower paid with streaming and AI technology shifting the goalposts in favour of the studios’ coffers. What broke the camel’s back and brought matters to a head was the suggestion that extras “should be able to be scanned and paid for one day’s pay and their companies should own that scan…and to be able to use it for the rest of eternity in any project they want with no consent and no compensation.” Surreal.
Having lurched out of the covid shut down, the prospect of a deadlock is causing despair amongst workers and will hit profits. But the feeling is that a complete revision of the financial underpinnings of the business need to be reached, which could take months.
The Hollywood chart, 1 February 1887, has a ruthless Mars square Pluto with a hint of megalomania thrown in from Neptune Pluto; with an autocratic Saturn square Uranus. As well as an expansive Aquarius Sun square Jupiter and trine an innovative Uranus. With a creative and seductive Venus South Node square Neptune Pluto.
The Hollywood Mars square Pluto this year is being blocked by tr Saturn in Pisces conjunct the Mars and square the Pluto as tensions grew earlier this year and those influences return late September/October and December. A previous Writers Strike of 2007/8 intriguingly occurred with tr Saturn in early Virgo also in aspect to the Hollywood Mars Pluto. Further back another strike in 1960 led by Ronald Reagan occurred when there was a Mars in early Pisces opposition Pluto in Virgo – just past the exact aspect but still rattling up Hollywood’s stony-hearted Mars square Pluto.
The Screen Actors Guild, 12 July 1933, technically ceased in 2012 as it merged with the television union but the original chart does work well. It has a determined Sun Pluto in Cancer square Uranus – and is certainly in a rebellious mood this year with tr Pluto square the Uranus until November. There are hints of cheer from mid November though some sagging moments thereafter.
The relationship chart between SAG and Hollywood hints at an ongoing, long-drawn-out tussle through 2023/24/25 with tr Pluto square the composite Saturn Sun.
SAG-AFTRA, 30 March 2012, has its showbizzy Mars in Virgo opposition Neptune in Pisces tangling with the Hollywood Mars square Pluto and is having a tough slog this year till late on.
Fran Dreschler, former actress leading SAG, 30 September 1957, is a gutsy Sun, Mars, Jupiter in Libra sextile Uranus in one side and sextile Saturn on the other. Her Uranus opposes the Hollywood Sun as she disrupts the status quo; with her robustly confident Jupiter Sun Mars triggers the autocratic Hollywood Uranus square Saturn. Most pointed of all her determined Pluto opposes the Hollywood Mars – for a full-on fight.
Scrape off the glitter and what’s underneath is greedy and black-hearted.
Add On: The studios are represented by the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, which evolved from early beginnings in 1922, incorporated on 11 March. That gives a Sun Venus in Pisces with an innovative and tough-minded Pluto trine Uranus square Saturn and inconjunct Mars. With a showbizzy Mars trine Neptune sextile a fortunate Jupiter. At the moment there is a pushily confident Solar Arc Pluto conjunct the Jupiter. But there will be a disaster of two late this year in November and December and an uncertain, high-anxiety set of influences running till early 2025. 2024 looks ratchety and ill-tempered – but that is probably par for the course.
On the synastry – the Screen Actors Guild Mars is in a fractious conjunction to the MPA’s Saturn and square its Pluto – for ongoing aggro. With Neptune crossovers to add evasion to the dream business.
The relationship chart has a composite Taurus Sun square Neptune. In 1960 when Ronald Reagan led a six month strike tr Uranus in Leo was exactly square the composite Sun – and this time round tr Uranus is conjunct the composite Sun. A fall out was on the cards – and confusion may continue into 2024 even if the strike folds.
The UK is facing a “nightmare scenario” of China controlling sensitive national infrastructure, including nuclear power stations, universities and the technology sector. The regime is using money and spies to penetrate every sector of economy, according to an MPs report.
Lurching from the Russia threat and before that Middle Eastern autocrats buying up the country, the Orwellian prospect of facing yet another foreign menace whom successive governments have done nothing to repel – quite the contrary they sold out to them – is all too worrisome.
The relationship chart between China 1 January 1912 and the UK is inherently stressed and has always been with a composite yod of Uranus sextile Jupiter inconjunct Pluto – a constant power struggle which is being exacerbated at the moment by tr Pluto square the Pluto and sextile the Uranus, moving soon to trine the Jupiter – the next three years will be critical. There is also a Sun Venus opposition Saturn square Jupiter which is a blow hot, blow cold influence. And an evasive, vague, smoke-screening Mercury opposition Moon square Neptune.
The China 1912 chart has its Neptune conjunct the UK 10th house (ruling classes) Moon for a deceptively persuasive approach. Though what is more to the point is the China’s financial Saturn in Taurus conjunct the UK’s 8th house Mars for a fractious and potentially destructive clash; with China’s determined Moon Mars in Taurus also in the UK 8th and colliding with the UK’s 11th house Saturn (the legislature).
Xi Jinping, 15 June 1953, has his Uranus conjunct the UK’s 10th house Moon, his Venus conjunct the UK Mars and his Pluto conjunct the UK Saturn – so he’s intent on changing UK’s direction and getting control politically.
2024/25 look to be times of turbulence with the Xi/UK relationship chart having its Uranus square Pluto being upended – with 2025 and even before being undermining with tr Neptune and then tr Saturn being conjunct the Venus Sun. With major confusion and uncertainty in 2026/27. So it may all come to a head which is too exhausting to contemplate.
Complete wastes-of-space of UK politicians – if there is money being offered, they will sell not only their soul but the country’s as well without a thought for the consequences.
Mary Tyler Moore, known as America’s sweetheart, was a fixture on television in the 1960s/1970s, who morphed from being Dick van Dyke’s stylish wife on screen to being a single, independent woman in her own show. She “helped define a new vision of American womanhood” who had careers and could stand on their own two feet. The show faced issues such as equal pay, birth control, and sexual independence and that was in the 1970s.
“Just because you have a smile on your face doesn’t mean doesn’t mean you are not ready to go into battle.”
She had a drama-filled and in many ways tragic life which belied her chirpy onscreen persona. Both her parents were alcoholic and she elected in childhood to live with an aunt and see her parents rarely. A younger sister died of painkillers and alcohol aged 21; her only son died from a gun accident aged 24 and her brother died in his late 40s from cancer. She herself suffered from diabetes and she was alcoholic for many years, as was Dick van Dyke.
Her chart certainly reflects a life that was turbulent and high-risk as well as lucky and successful. She was born 29 December 1936 at 10.45am in Brooklyn, New York which gave her a fortunate Sun Jupiter in Capricorn in her 10th house of career so there was no doubt she was heading for glory and triumphs despite her unlikely beginnings. She had an attention-demanding Moon Pluto in Cancer in her performing 5th house opposition Mercury and square an 8th house Mars. She was do-or-die determined with a hefty dose of ancestral grit and anger pushing her on.
She had the creative Saturn in Pisces opposition Neptune of the mid 1930s squaring onto a 10th house North Node so career would always come more easily than settling into domestic contentment.
The death of her son hit her hard not surprisingly and her chart was in shock – tr Pluto was on the cusp of her 8th house. Tr Neptune was conjunct her Midheaven. Solar Arc Uranus was conjunct her IC and her Solar Arc Pluto was conjunct her Descendant. The axis of her world was rocked. And in that oddly spooky way, with an 8th house planet involved, it occurred less than a month after the Robert Redford directed movie Ordinary People was released in which she played a mother who was grieving over the accidental death of her son.
She did key into the USA chart with her Mercury opposition Pluto Moon facing up to the USA’s Mercury opposition Pluto in Capricorn as she highlighted controversial and divisive issues.
Huw Edwards, chief presenter and face of the BBC, has been named by his wife as as the personality facing allegations involving a teenager and sex photos, saying he is now an in-patient receiving mental care and will answer the claims soon. Other complaints have been made with suggestions of inappropriate behaviour in the office and on a dating website.
Out of an abundance of caution it should be said – nothing has been proved and the police have said there was no criminality involved. He has not resigned, although is suspended and while UK libel laws do allow for a public interest defence, in general it is best to adhere to the adage – if you can’t prove it, don’t print it. Repeating gossip (which may be wrong) does not constitute proof and is no defence.
However having said all that Jon Sopel, a BBC colleague and friend, did put out a tweet in which he said – “no criminality, but perhaps a complicated private life.” I would be grateful when posting comments if you could keep in mind the above.
Born 18 August 1961 in Bridgend, Wales, no birth time, with a Welsh-activist academic father, Huw Edwards is married with five grown up children. He has an attention-seeking Leo Sun conjunct Uranus, North Node, Mercury also in entertaining Leo. North Node in Leo gives him leadership ability. In negative mode Leo can appear arrogant and he did have a reputation for mixing with management rather than those below him in rank – the driving force behind which is usually a sense of inner emptiness requiring constant affirmation. Sun Uranus can be a maverick and certainly dislikes compromise.
He also has a Saturn Jupiter conjunction in Capricorn which may be significant. For many this is a comme ci comme ca aspect but for a few – Princess Diana, John Lennon, certain US Presidents – it has an overly expansionary side. The Jupiterian magnification factor flies them too high near the gods of Olympus, of which Zeus/Jove/Jupiter was the supreme being. At which point Saturn steps in with a sharp reality check to remind them they are human and subject to the same restrictions of morality and/or mortality as everyone else. In Roman times a slave would stand behind a triumphant general on a victory parade to remind him of his own mortality. It needn’t be as bleak as death dealing, but it can bring hubris down to earth with a bump if their Jupiterian streak gets out of control.
His emotional planets include a Scorpio Moon maybe conjunct Neptune and trine Venus in Cancer, sextile Pluto hinting at a passionate side that was not much on view.
At the moment tr Pluto is just off the trine to his Mars, repeating throughout 2024 which is stuck and frustrated. At the moment he has tr Pluto conjunct his Jupiter, which on its own can be successful, but clearly Jupiter’s ‘Miracle Grow’ qualities turned his public persona into a hulking green giant.
This year he does have a career-denting tr Pluto conjunct his Jupiter/Saturn midpoint later this year with a stuck tr Saturn opposition his Pluto and a jolted, jangled and confused 2024.
His interface with the BBC is highly Neptunian with his Sun conjunct the BBC Neptune and his Neptune conjunct the BBC Mercury – dream weavers united but not always realistic or straightforward.
His relationship chart with the BBC is odd – a bad-tempered, one-sided composite Mars Saturn in a high-tension opposition to Uranus sextile/trine Sun, Mercury and Pluto – very tied together but a simmering cauldron of undercurrents of resentment and disagreement. The Uranus and Mars Saturn are being battered this year by tr Saturn in square. There’s also an illusory composite Sun Neptune conjunction which tr Neptune is undermining this year and tr Pluto putting additional strain on.
If the general drift of the allegations hold water – and we don’t know yet – the word that came to my mind was ‘untouchable’ (an illusion/delusion thereof). Anyone who indulges in that kind of behaviour in a public position especially nowadays with a febrile and rancid social media never mind hawk-eyed tabloids has to imagine they are somehow wrapped in a magic invisibility cloak and can’t be exposed or held to account.
No doubt more will crawl out of the woodwork as time goes on.
