USA 9/11 – a lesson for Israel on retaliation ++ Gaza under UN admin?

In the midst of the despair about there ever being a solution to the century-long Israel-Palestinian hostility, there are two sage media voices talking sense.

  William Hague in The Times says that sticking to the view that peace is inconceivable, as both sides do, will lead Hamas and its allies, ‘to draw the Israelis into a long war of attrition that turns more of the world into their sworn enemies.’ From the Israeli perspective the strategy will be to ‘wall off Gaza, to put it out of sight and mind, to create a no-man’s land so festooned with mines, traps, drones and patrols that even an insect would struggle to cross it.’

 ‘Military objectives do not remain secure without political progress. We all know what is likely to happen years down the line: a new, radicalised generation drawn to terror, with more advanced weapons, readying for another battle, creating another “do or die” moment for Israel.’

   His appeal is for the West to keep out. ‘While outside powers have always complicated the Middle East, solving its problems is now beyond them.’

   His view is that the Arab world, now in the midst of a seismic shift with Saudi Arabia at the helm, should take  ownership of a solution.

  No astrology pro tem but worth pondering.

  The other is Gideon Rachman in the FT who makes the cogent point that the US attempted to defeat “terrorism” through conventional military means after 9/11, launching wars in Afghanistan and Iraq that led to hundreds of thousands of deaths. ‘But more than 20 years after starting its war on terror, America is probably less powerful and respected around the world than it was in 2001. And its own society has been gravely wounded.’

  ‘A war on terror can also damage the society that wages it. More than 30,000 US troops died by suicide after serving in Iraq and Afghanistan: more than three times as many as died in battle. The anti-elite rage and the “American carnage” that led to the rise of Donald Trump in 2016 were closely connected to the social wreckage wrought by the wars America fought after 9/11. A war on terror unifies a country in the short term, but it can rip it apart over the longer term. That, too, is a lesson that a traumatised Israel needs to think about — before it is too late.’

   The key astrological indicator of 9/11 always seemed to me to be and undermining tr Neptune exactly opposition the USA ‘leadership’ Leo North Node, denting American pride. There were other nodal flags in the immediate years following. 2002 saw SA Neptune square the North Node as well and the SA North Node was square the USA Mars. 2003 as the War on Iraq started SA Mars was conjunct the US South Node. The Solar Arc Uranus then moved to conjunct the US Mercury in 2003 and the US Pluto by 2066 – and 2006 was the year the USA Mars went retrograde to stay that way for the next 80 years, which was always deemed to be a pointer that USA’s influence would start to diminish. Rachman is probably right that it was a turning point in US history.

   There is nothing similar on the Israel chart though their year started on the back of a Nodal Return conjunct Uranus and the Lunar Eclipse this week is square the 10th house Moon for a major upset, followed in coming years by tr Pluto square the Moon and tr Uranus ratcheting up the Israel Mars and on and on and on – see previous post 30 December 2022 and others in SEARCH.

  As a spare thought, since World War 11 ended Britain’s super-power status, the nodes were activated in various ways. In 1939 when war was declared the UK Solar Arc North Node was opposition Pluto – an obscure point but might have been worth considering before leaping into a long war of attrition. Uncomfortably enough tr Uranus was at 21 degrees Taurus, as now, at that point. When the war ended in 1945 the transiting North Node in Cancer was just over the opposition to the UK Capricorn Sun with tr Neptune heading to square the Sun; and by 1947 the SA Neptune was conjunct the UK North Node.   By the end 380,000 British soldiers had been killed and 70,000 civilians and the country effectively bankrupted.  There is a stray argument that staying out of the war and allowing Hitler to implode might have saved a great deal of grief. But who knows? Except that the cost of even a righteous war is way too high.

Add ON: Further thought today in FT from John Sawers, former MI6 chief and UK Ambassador to the UN.

‘Israel must know that destroying Hamas is beyond its reach.’

‘The longer-term goal should be to stabilise Gaza and prevent the violence flaring into regional conflict.’

‘Through attacks like these, terrorist organisations want three things: to instil fear, to draw attention to their cause and to provoke overreaction. Terrorism alone doesn’t undermine an established state. Israel has every right to respond.’    

     ‘Urban warfare is tough.  Retaking Mosul from Isis — the only recent attempt to conduct such a campaign within the rules of war — took US-led forces nine months and cost thousands of civilian deaths. Israel doesn’t have that time: its military knows it will be up against demands for an early ceasefire.’

What comes after? Israel has no appetite to occupy Gaza again. Some international administration of Gaza is called for. The UN has done this before in Namibia, Cambodia, Bosnia and East Timor. Mistakes were made, but in each case an administration kept the country going and an international military force held the ring so a new government with local support could emerge. 

  Any such presence would have to be led by Arab countries such as Egypt, Morocco and Saudi Arabia that would be acceptable to Israel and have standing with the people of Gaza.’

  A far off possibility but a sliver of hope.  

27 October 2023

Add On 2:  ‘If we’re forbidden from looking history in the eye during this horrific war, we’re doomed to repeat it.’ Gaby Hinscliff.

“Is nobody to talk of history even now, in a conflict where both sides are shaped by memories handed down through generations: of persecution and exile, suffering and mourning, the Nakba (or Palestinian tragedy of displacement) and the Holocaust? These stories are too entwined to make sense of one without mentioning the other, and it should be possible to say so without being accused of making excuses for Hamas.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/27/israel-hamas-war-palestinians-un

12 thoughts on “USA 9/11 – a lesson for Israel on retaliation ++ Gaza under UN admin?

  1. “‘This is a time for war,’ Israel’s PM says as IDF expands its attacks and drops leaflet warnings to civilians in Gaza” 10-30-23

    Is the goal of Netanyahu and Israel to erase Gaza from the face of the Earth?

    Where are the civilians to go? No food, no water, no fuel?

  2. Actually, a mere decade or so after the end of WW2, the UK was, for the typical citizen, the most prosperous it had been for any time in its history. This was the eve of the ‘never had it so good years’ of Harold MacMillan. Wages were rising, jobs were plentiful, living standards rising and cars and consumer goods affordable.

    It’s poignant to note that this ‘feel good factor’ has never been replicated since the oil shocks of 1973 and 1980.

    • @Jonathan Portes
      This was indeed a high point in the well being of the country, David Olusoga in his study of the state of the Union points out 1973 when the decline of the equality begun.
      At the moment the UK is having to cope with a declining economy, it has two black holes namely the NHS and the welfare state which have blown out of all proportion and the economy is being dragged down to sustain these . No political party has been brave enough to tackle the malaise. A look at the 1973 ephemeris may enlighten the struggle.

  3. Thanks Marjorie.
    “The key astrological indicator of 9/11 always seemed to me to be and undermining tr Neptune exactly opposition the USA ‘leadership’ Leo North Node, denting American pride”

    On 6th December 2024 Mars turns retrograde at 6 Leo, aligning with the USA North Node. War, leadership, direction and alliances would be energised and highlighted?

    I can’t help thinking, too, that the Mars/Uranus conjunction of July 2024 is significant. It aligns with fixed star Algol, the snaky, baleful Medusa’s Head. The energy of this star can be destructive, although it does also signify a vast reservoir of creative force too. It’s associated with numerous dramatic and violent events in history. In November 2002, prior to the 2003 Iraq war, there was a Lunar Eclipse at 27 Taurus square Uranus 25 Aquarius.

    I also noticed that Nicholas Campion gives May 4th, 1994, as a date for “Palestinian autonomy”. It has Nodes 23 Scorpio/Taurus, Pluto 27 Scorpio.

    As for the UK, the Edgar chart of 973 has Sun and Mars at 25 Taurus, Mercury 26 Taurus, all at the MC.

    I continue to hope for a solution. At least part of that must surely be brokered by the Arab world. War may benefit certain groups financially, but ultimately the destruction and trauma poison everything.

  4. Hi Marjorie – a post on William Hague himself could be interesting if you have time! Seen him quoted a few times as of late.
    With thanks!

  5. The US invaded Irak and Afghanistan because of economic reasons not to fight terrorism!
    All wars have economic reasons at their foundation. It’s always been that way throughout history.
    Israel has Palestine as a sort of apartheid, so conflict won’t cease to be triggered.

  6. The challenges for Israel are different . Hamas and other organisations contuinsely targeting most of Israel with rockets .There are hostages . Complicated options . One knowledgable Israeli journalist think that Israel should just exchange prisoners . There is astrology map of Israel that has Scorpio on the horizon . Suggesting Pluto hitting the sac and Mars just move out of 12th into the first

    • “One knowledgable Israeli journalist think that Israel should just exchange prisoners ”

      Sound reasoning, that. But the warhawks remain thirsty.

  7. Next years solar eclipse on 2 October 2024 is at 10 Libra which is exactly conjunct Israel’s 1948 Neptune. This can signal a veil being dropped, disillusionment, a questioning of blind spots, a loss of faith and a realisation that you are not what you thought you were. The eclipse also involves transiting Mercury and hits Israel’s progressed Mars and MC. One of things that is already apparent is that Israel is undergoing an internal identity crisis which ironically the conflict with Hamas is concealing. Next October’s solar eclipse is part of the SS 8 series under Saros 144 which Bernadette Brady identifies with

    “Separation and loss. To be parted. To finish something, and to feel sad at its completion.”

    Brady has identified the SS 8 eclipses as possibly the worst of the whole Saros series as she sees it as the indication of difficult times if it exactly hits any significant degrees in a natal chart

    http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/SarosCycles.pdf

    Rather eerily there was a solar eclipse at 10 Libra on 134 CE (jul) during the Simon Bar Kochbar revolt in the Third Roman Jewish war which was a prelude to the Jews being expelled from Judaea by the emperor Hadrian.

    With regard to the US its progressed Mars is retrograde at 16 Libra near the mid point between the October 2023 and October 2024 eclipses. Usually a Mars retrograde would be a flag to avoid waging anything but defensive military action. To see the consequences of the dangers of instigating war under a progresses Mars retrograde look no further than Germany in the 20th century which fought both World Wars while its progressed Mars was retrograde and ended up with a completely devastated country.

  8. I’ve never been interested by the military but I did just start reading a book about some of the WWII leaders. Britain’s policy under Chamberlain was appeasement but eventually that became untenable. Astrologically if I understand anything about Hitler’s Capricorn moon, it would never have been satisfied until it ruled the entire world so we were going to have to stand and fight eventually.

    That aside, I was just looking at start of WWII which I take to be 3Sep39 – Uranus had just turned retrograde and was at 21Tau57. That’s the same place it was a couple of days ago. As I say not my area of deep knowledge but I believe the war didn’t turn until Uranus moved on into Gemini and the Allies began to win the intelligence battle and stopped trying to fight it the same way they’d fought in WWI (Taurus – staying with the same).

    • I was thinking about the film The Imitation Game, with Benedict Cumberbatch as Alan Turing, who decrypted German intelligence messages for the British government during World War II. This film really was a revelation for me, because that is were and how the UK and the Allies started to win the war. Suddenly they were so far ahead of the Germans, technically, that the gained an gigantic advantage on the Germans. It also confirms your theory, Gnarly Dude, that the war turned when Uranus entered Gemini (and in a very fitting way, through innovating technology)

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