Keir Starmer – lost in a dark wood ++ Musk v UK, Trump v Keir

   Poor Keir Starmer from whom the proverb ‘be careful what you wish for’ must be echoing round the walls of No 10 as one political sinkhole after another turns up for him to trip into.  

  Not all the political disasters are of his own making, though Chancellor Rachel Reeves’s missteps which have spooked the markets and upset pensioners, look like misjudgments. As one commentator put it she played a bad hand badly.

 There is a tone-deafness about his responses, an inability to put across a message that the electorate would appreciate or to bat back the standard opposition brickbats. No one sensible wants another mega-child abuse inquiry but he somehow made it sound as if he was covering up the problem. Not giving winter fuel payments to wealthy pensioners makes fiscal sense but he/the government have allowed themselves to be cast as death-dealing scrooges.

 There are now questions being asked about whether he’ll survive to the next election or whether Labour will survive in power after that.

  His chart is under increasing pressure with a devastatingly confused Solar Arc Pluto conjunct his Neptune exactly now followed soon by SA Sun conjunct Neptune. Then tr Uranus will square his Uranus after mid 2025 with late 2025/26 being totally logjammed by SA Mars conjunct his Sun Pluto.  

 The two Labour Party charts, 27 February 1900 and 12 February 1906, point to shocks and high insecurity before mid 2025, deep uncertainty and worries in 2026/27 – and hints of splits in 2026 with a sense of failure and setbacks in 2026/27.

Rachel Reeves, 13 February 1979, is irrevocably tied into Starmer with a yod in their relationship chart of Saturn, Neptune, Sun, Venus sextile Pluto inconjunct Mars which is being shaken at the moment by tr Uranus opposition the Saturn and tr Neptune opposition the Pluto throughout 2025 – and worse tr Uranus into Gemini opposing the Neptune, Sun, Venus in from July 2025 and through 2026.

 Her own chart which is stubborn and fairly single tracked minded with Mars, Sun, Mercury in Aquarius square Uranus in Scorpio, trine Pluto and sextile Neptune hints at a degree of over confidence in patches through 2025. But tr Neptune into Aries from April and tr Uranus into Gemini by July will create/accompany major setbacks and escalating challenges, continuing on into 2026.

  Another pitfall awaiting Keir Starmer which will not play well is his personal friendship with Tulip Siddiq, a junior Treasury minister, niece of the ousted former Prime Minister of Bangladesh, Sheikh Hasina, at present under investigation for corruption.

  Tulip Siddiq, 16 September 1982 London, is a Sun, Venus, Moon in Virgo which will chime with Starmer’s Virgo Sun and Jupiter in Pisces. She also has a volatile Mars in Scorpio conjunct Uranus which will be rattled within weeks and again throughout the year. Starmer’s relationship with her is running into trouble and perhaps splitting later this month into early February.  With further disappointments mid year into 2026.

“In the middle of the journey of our life I found myself within a dark woods where the straight way was lost.” Dante Alighieri, Inferno

Add On: For all the fur flying between Musk and Starmer, which may or may not have something to do with the UK moving against social media and denting Musk’s empire the real aggravation is between Trump and Starmer. To a degree Musk may be doing his master’s bidding. The Trump/Starmer relationship chart has a composite Sun Mars at one degree Leo so catching the tr Pluto opposition now exactly and on and off throughout 2025. There are ripples of discontent on Musk/Starmer but nothing like as notable.

 What does seem to rile Musk is the UK.  His Uranus sits on the UK’s Ascendant square the UK Capricorn Sun, with his Sun nearing the UK MC; his Saturn opposition Neptune square the UK’s Pluto; and his intransigent Mars in Aquarius opposes the UK’s Saturn.  The relationship chart has the Solar Eclipse rattling the composite Sun last October and this coming March; with tr Neptune Saturn into Aries  causing more confusion over the next several years.

No idea why so any suggestions gratefully received.

116 thoughts on “Keir Starmer – lost in a dark wood ++ Musk v UK, Trump v Keir

  1. The Bank of England governor, Andrew Bailey accompanied Rachel Reeves on her visit to China. He’s her former boss,. The Chancellor of the Exchequer has the legal authority to overule the bank’s decisions.

    Interesting relationship dynamic – how is the astrological association?

  2. So, in the end, have we figured out what is the astropsychology behind the tone-deafness of Keir and Rachel, and even Angela and all the other ones?

    • @El Aznar
      Rachel Reeves comes across as someone confident as her policies begin to unravel On another thread someone mentioned her robotic voice, it made me wonder whether she had suffered from glue ear as a child. I have tried to search for the planet or sign which would be receptive to hearing as a sense, may be Mars and Taurus.

      • Oh, wow, I’m so sorry if she did. It is true that I first kept hearing her, on the radio mostly, and only very rarely saw her, but, come to think of it, I’ve never seen her and heard her at the same time, and I keep reminding myself of finding some material online. But I also meant figurative tone-deafness.

        I have no idea, for example, what her schtick is. She was supposed to be an expert with a plan before she came into power, and when she finally did, the main gist is increase taxes and go to China for money? Which is so shockingly bad in a way, because Labour detractors will highlight precisely that bit about them – they are a party of tax increases. They come and do just that. Who in their sane mind acts like that?

        Then you go after China for this, that, and the other thing, and then jet off there to somehow help your economy?

        That is so lousy and beyond belief. Especially in a changing world, where new technologies need to be prepared for, which was her thing, if I’m not mistaken, before she assumed the post.

        They’ve had so many crises since being elected, and their reponse to every one of those crises was awful. Basic PR stuff was quantum physics for them.

        And now you kind of sense that maybe, just maybe, they realize they have a problem because they have no idea what to do and how to get the country back on track and are just there doing not much, while the time is ticking.

        So I was wondering if there is something in the charts that would scream self-illusion, not getting it, being out of touch, or anything to that effect.

        • And I just opened BBC, and saw it yesterday too, I think, Keir talking about AI and AI boosting growth. To “unleash” it across the Kingdom to boost that growth.

          What about low salaries? Unemployment? and jobs? Housing? Preparing for new skills and professions for the new age? Infrastructure?

          I just have these big ‘what is this circus?!’ moments when you see people not talking about matter which they should be talking about.

          Rachel taxing farmers, and I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be part of any taxation, instead of going for much more cash rich parts of society to establish equilibrium and fund services. It is all almost a joke, it seems now to me.

    • Is it not Rachel Reeves’s unaspected Jupiter that probably makes her seem cut off and odd ?

      If we could make judgements based on a person’s horoscope as to whether they should hold a post like that of Chancellor of the Exchequer, I’m not sure someone with an unaspected Jupiter should not be disallowed.

      • Apologies, that should have been “I’m not sure someone with an unaspected Jupiter should be allowed to hold the post of Chancellor of the Exchequer.”

        • It means the Jupiter is not well integrated into her chart so does not add its Jupiterian cheer to other planets/ areas of her life and is not well modulated by other traits.
          Unaspected Jupiter according to Tierney – less gregarious, not spontaneous, lacks buoyancy, mentally remote, judgement not developed, disconnected, self contained, naive.

          Interesting that Starmer has his Jupiter if anything over aspected – conjunct Chiron opposition Sun Pluto and in a Water Grand Trine to Mars and Neptune. He does not exactly give the impression of the opposite of the above – being not spontaneous or blessed with good judgement. But that is maybe his Pluto clamping down onto Virgo tendencies plus a can-be-remote Water Grand Trine.

  3. As I don’t live in the UK anymore I was not going to comment on this post until something occurred to me today. After reading all the comments about Starmer’s body language and lack of conviction it suddenly occurred to me why that is. As someone with Pluto conjunct my Sun and Mars I recognise his indecisiveness. Pluto overshadows whatever it touches. My decisions and choices were taken from me growing up and that leaves you unable to decide and not knowing what you want, so you end up with this idea that it is your job to do what other people want. But because it’s not yours in the first place, you have no conviction about it. On the other hand you don’t know what else to do because you feel that you don’t know what you want. Hence he has no vision or policies, he didn’t choose to go into politics but was persuaded by Milliband. So in effect you become a vassal for others and resent it! And that is clear to all. He has to get out from under that stone and show is who he is if he is to succeed. But as I haven’t managed to do that yet, I doubt whether he will. As others have said, his chart is much more suited to being DPP. People hated Thatcher precisely because she was the opposite. Someone with conviction and the will to create a new vision for the UK. At a cost, of course. Perhaps Starmer reflects the UK’s own inabilty to decide what it wants to be and maybe Milliband is the not-so-invisible puppet master behind the scenes.

    • This description of Starmer, as somebody with no vision of his own but a competent (perhaps) deliverer of somebody else’s vision, immediately reminded me of Theresa May.

      “As someone with Pluto conjunct my Sun and Mars I recognise his indecisiveness. Pluto overshadows whatever it touches.” So I quickly did a search on this site and indeed, Theresa May had Pluto closely conjunct her Moon. Overshadowing her mind/thinking and possibly her relationship with her mother. We all know that she was a vicar’s daughter, but we know little about her mother.

    • Think you’re spot on about his lack of inner vision. It seems to me his Sun-Pluto in Virgo takes all his conscious energy/attention while his Libra moon/mercury/venus are still out of his awareness. That’s not entirely surprising given he is a man.

        • Slightly biased as I have a Water Grand Trine too, but my God, his natal Jupiter is heavily aspected, isn’t it? Almost a complete reversal of the unaspected Jupiter of Rachel Reeves mentioned in the chat above.
          A Grand Trine of Jupiter, Mars and Neptune, formed into a kite with both Sun and Pluto (being conjunct each other to the degree) opposition Jupiter, which is ALSO the focal point of a yod inconjunct both the North Node and Mercury (both sextile each other).
          There is just so much going on in the early degrees of so many signs.
          Given that there will be multiple movements of the outer planets into the early degrees of many signs this year and the next, his chart is going to get absolutely hammered in the coming years from all different directions.
          Ironically, aspects to his Jupiter, which is normally considered lucky, would also trigger the Sun and Pluto (in opposition), Mercury and North Node (in yod), and Mars and Mercury (in trine). So much action going on.

  4. According to reports in the press today, UK security services believe Dominic Cummings is involved and is man behind the X account Inevitablewest that Musk keeps retweeting

    • I find this improbable. I looked up the X account and it just isn’t Dominic Cummings’ style.

      For a start, I find it hard to believe that somebody as clinical as Cummings would have “Jesus Christ is King” in the profile header. That phrase almost certainly suggests an evangelical American.

  5. Re Musk and UK, but form a psychologicalmperspective.
    Musk is Aspergers. I have a lot of experience with clever intelligent aspergers indivdiuls.
    Once they are fixated on something, they are fixated in an unbudging type of way.
    There tends to be a very back / white – right / wrong justice view on things
    Loneliness and a human disconnect is equally part of the package but with a corresponding wish to be that popular / wanted / admired person.
    He has admitted, more than once, his regular use of ketamine. Long term impact of this drug is not fully understood yet.
    Musk, twice was married to british actress Talulah Riley with whom he is supposedly still friendly with. She has recently married a well known long time british actor. To me, there seemed to be an angry UK reaction shgortly after – but this could just be coincidental.
    His grandmother, of whom he speaks fondly, was originally british.
    and yes, he was raised in south africa during a time during the racial injustices there were international headlines.
    He comes aross to me as trying to establish world order in a way he understands, most likely based on his childhood in south africqa – most probably because all his wealth has not filled the whole he has within. To me, he has all the hallmarks of wishing to be world dictator althoughh I doubt it will bring him what he wants.

    • He is in fact self diagnosed. He has never been diagnosed with ASD by a professional, qualified psychologist. His childhood was awful and I think it really damaged him. The ketamine use is worrying because 1) he has not been prescribed or is monitored by a medical professional and 2) eventually it does damage to the bladder and results in terrible pain.

      My brother also had Sun square Uranus like Musk, but in fixed signs. He was probably autistic, but at the time his symptoms were described as ‘behavioural problems’. His Sun square Uranus with Uranus on the MC – he likely inherited his autism from my father – manifested as an absolute refusal to bow to authority, eccentricity, self-destructiveness, high risk behaviour, impulsive and volatile. He hated being told what to do. Contrarian too.

  6. Interesting transits happening for Andy Burnham now; Saturn approaching his natal Mars – his possibly threatening move against Keir Starmer by openly supporting a national inquiry into the rape gangs. Quite a bold move.
    Also Pluto is about to square his natal Jupiter and Saturn (his Sun and Moon ruler).
    And Uranus is hovering around a trine to his natal Mercury at the anaretic degree 29 in Capricorn at the same time as affecting his Jupiter and Saturn.
    Some big changes coming for him I think.

    • Interesting @Claire D because Andy Burnham seemed incapable of anything other than parrot the party line when he stood in the leadership contest that Jeremy Corbyn won. Since becoming Mayor of Manchester he’s come into his own, making a name for himself nationally as well as locally to the point that he’s now considered a leader.
      Marjorie, please would you look at his chart especially with regard to the issues you discuss under the inevitability of Astrology above, as well as any possible future moves. He seems to be someone who by chance or design has found the right place for him to flourish, unlike Sir Keir Starmer. So far at least. You can never tell with politicians!

  7. The Labour party chart for 1900 is the one I use and what I find interesting is that in the next few years it will be having some very similar transits to those it had in 1945. Uranus will be returning to the same position and Pluto will be conjunct the Labour moon (in 1945 it was opposing it). Neptune will be half a cycle along from its 1940s position as well.

    • That’s true for not just the Labour Party chart, but any chart. It would be interesting to see how this placement of planetary energy impacts the world.
      Perhaps Marjorie can do an article on this placement of the planets, its relationship to 1945 and to the modern day.

  8. Find it quite entertaining to read all the frothing hatred at Starmer since my reading of the various astrological perspectives on here is that he’s pretty much toast. I suppose a question I’d like to ask is to what extent is it thought that the astrology, on an individual and collective level, can be overcome and I guess that is also a question about free will. Also, if Starmer goes early, does the astrology point to a new leader of this government or an early election.And if the latter is there a signifier of what comes next. Is the curious criticism of Farage by Musk and the resignation of Reform councillors over their leader a sign of growing pains or something more terminal? I’ve got the impression from this site that his astrology looks quite good, much to my chagrin.

    • Good question over free will. Another astrologer says “ the stars incline but do not confine”. Personally, I hate the idea that we are imprisoned by our birth chart and cannot overturn challenging aspects. I think of Trump, whose political demise has been predicted and who manages to carry on regardless ( sadly). Also, I’ve been surprised too many times by very difficult conjunctions, oppositions and squares in personal transits that have resulted in positive and much needed change, usually after a difficult phase. I’m not a fan of thumbnail sketches of individual signs either. I do think , on the whole, that our reactions to things often shape the outcome.

    • I don’t think the astrology can be overcome but we all have free will and can learn how to handle difficult aspects and accept the changes they bring about – however not everyone is open to that. It requires self awareness to benefit from the challenges astrological hard times bring our way. I share a few similarities with Starmer in my own chart (I was born a few months before him) including Saturn in Aquarius. Pluto aspecting saturn will be interesting for us both.

      • I think I’ve read on one Judaism website a statement about (a belief, or maybe fundamental axiom of faith) Jews being immune to astrology, which I found inspiring.

        If one ends up believing in the position that we can choose how to use an aspect in a chart (or a position, or whatever), it remains a bigger question of why the negative realizes itself sooo much more frequently and why is humanity somehow much more prone to negative inclinations in manifestation of events.

        I wondered the other day e.g. if negative events in a person’s life are much more than positive or is it just that people seem to think so? Then what is the definition of negative (in order to establish a counting methodology) and is a negative event actually a positive one? Does belief end up shaping that? What you thought was bad for you ended up being a gift from heaven?

        And also can it be counted how many people actually have lucky, happy, pleasant lives and how many maybe not so and what conclusions would be draw from that? Maybe about fate, destiny and some other things as well?

        • Interesting! I suppose the birth chart gives people a tendency to belief or scepticism, also tools to help navigate through difficult aspects. Self awareness is key to this, also awareness of other people being on their own path and not causing them harm along the way. Perhaps it’s just my personal perspective and others will disagree, but negative aspects in my life have sometimes moved things on and produced beneficial change which I ( and others) needed but didn’t want to deal with. So negative morphs into positive, but is it my choice or my fate to try and make lemonade out of lemons? I’m uncomfortable with the idea we have little choice or escape routes or self determination . By nature , I’m not a true believer at heart, and that includes astrology, just a fascinated explorer. Very happy to hear from anyone who feels differently………

          • I definitely agree with much of what you say. Difficult aspects create challenge but that encourages and drives action. Negative creates positive.   Easy aspects can create laziness therefore inaction and non progress. Positive creates negative.  Easy  aspects can ease the impact of difficult aspects.   So it’s about how we learn to get them to work eith each other. That’s our free will. To do or don’t do.  I think that is our mission in our lifetime,  to learn how to  interpret our chart and work with it.  

            Every planet and aspect has it’s role and place for a reason. We are dealt the chart we have because that is our personal journey and we are to learn to how to navigate it using the easy to support the difficult, to create our personal story and accomplishments.  So free will is very much in the forefront of a pre-ordained chart. 

            The other train of thought is that some say our soul choses to be born into the family on the date and time we do. If that is the case then we actually chose our chart to be born with?   We chose our mission. With discernment we need to learn the what and how to. That’s the real challenge.

      • Thank you Susy, El Aznar, Jennifer E and Penelope for your responses. Jennifer E – we seem to be heading towards Karma and the natal nodes here, a fascinating topic I must now do more research on.

        • Yes, indeed. They say the Draconic chart sets out our spiritual purpose and challenges; our karma. Its starting point is the Nodes.
          Share what you find and what you think when you can. Definitely interesting stuff.

  9. Something new to me: lunistice, the moon has a declination of 28.5 degrees north or south during a major standstill, the north node is at 0 degrees Aries in a major standstill and 0 degrees Libra during a minor standstill.
    We get 9.3 years of a major standstill and 9.3 years of a minor standstill, the moon reaches its maximum or minimum declination during the middle of the period for about 2 years. Emotions and markets are most affected during a major period and tides during a minor. Has anybody heard about this?

    • As if I did. There is also aa much more frequent phenomenon, occurring every month, in an individual’s chart, in Vedic astrology, called chandrashtama.

  10. In my opinion there is nothing poor about Kier Starmer. The man and his government are at best naive and at worst completely incompetent and for those who keep banging on about 14 years of Tory government failure they should take note that behind the scenes the left were steadily gaining powerful positions, determined to stop any progress that might have shown Tories in a good light.In the end in a bid to stay in power too many Conservatives moved to the left so in the end there was nothing much between either party and we have no one to take care of us the general public who’s opinions and needs are continually sidelined.I enjoy Astrology but am tired of the majority of followers comments on this site who seek to justify Left Wing ideology.

    • OK above is the last opinion piece. Everything from here on in which does not focus on astrology gets binned.

      Astrologers like old style journalists can only be professional if they are detached. Stand back and focus on the astrology. Observers are there to observe, not screech on about their pet hates. Neither left nor right – the outsider’s view.

  11. Too much too soon is definitely the feeling I am getting. Starmer has claimed he wanted to emulate the 1945 Labour administration. What he has forgotten is that during the Second World War the likes of Attlee and Bevin had been key ministers in Churchill’s government and already were largely responsible for running domestic policy. They were able to use that experience to remake the country. They were aided by fact that massive reconstruction was unavoidable because of the amount of war damage and the population were used to high taxes and following central government dictats such as rationing. Even so the U.K. teetered on bankruptcy for a number of years. There was nearly a decade of quite severe austerity post 1945 where all efforts went into rebuilding the economy. Although the Labour Party manifesto in 2024 said this was going to be a priority the reality has been that Starmer’s government seems to be simply throwing more money at an already dysfunctional public sector and its workforce at the expense of everything else

    • Quite interesting to compare the election chart of 5 July 1945 which brought Attlee’s government to power and the current Labour government. The 1945 chart has the Sun conjunct Saturn and North Node in Cancer. Mars Venus and the Moon are in Taurus. Neptune is at 3 Libra. Pluto and Mercury are in Leo. Because of delays in counting military votes from overseas it was not until 26 July 1945 that Attlee became PM by which time the Sun was conjunct Pluto and Mars was in early Gemini. The election chart with the Sun conjunct Saturn is tough but responsible. The Neptune conjunct the UK 1801 Uranus shows the desire to remake the country along idealised and perhaps in the long term unrealistic lines. It is worth noting that in 2025 Neptune will be moving to oppose its location in 1945 and will be conjunct Saturn there in 2026. This may indicate that post war welfare state dream starting to unravel.

      • In fact looking at the outer planets it seems that in 2025 to 2026 both Pluto in Aquarius and Neptune in Aries will be at half cycle from their 1945 positions while Uranus in Gemini will have completed a full cycle. Saturn in Aries will be squaring its 1945 locations from late 2026 into 2027. This looks like a major shift in then post Second World war order for the UK and for the rest of the planet as well.

        • This is interesting thanks Hugh, it makes sense.

          What do you see in the 1945 chart, compared to today, about information, glamour and illusion (Neptune – Mercury)? (Planetary returns, on the principle of ‘checking in on themselves’ or meeting challenges related to their original positions, are a powerful motif) I guess at the end of WW2 there were dreams of rebuilding the country for the wider population, kept very sternly in check by the actual reality of lack of resources – the UK was on its knees, but the promise of technology and science was great.

          I’m particularly interested in Neptune in this respect, both then and now – the higher octave of the Moon (homeland?) – which could easily represent a glamour of both dreams and idealism (positive) and lies and deceit (negative). The spirit of our age seems to mostly focus on the latter – it is a challenge to maintain positive hopes and visions in today’s world!

        • Thanks, Hugh for an informative post. “ Too much too soon”………and yet they were elected because people believed they could do it all at once. They are now lambasted both for trying too much and not doing enough. Neptune and delusion seem to be writ large here. Is the change of sign into Aries going to help do you think? Maybe in company with structured Saturn, or is my desire to see our country settle down at last colouring my view?

        • @Hugh and Marjorie, would these planetary movements/placements help explain why there’s so much disruption/polarisation and anger and, yes, rage, in politics these days in most democracies producing turnovers in governments?

          Do you see any hope for stabilization or a return of any semblance of civility in the near future? I see the same type of political disruption in the UK, US, France, Germany, Canada and in so many other countries, leaving everyone on edge.

          Thanks!

          • Nicole, I have been pondering on this and not come to any great conclusions as yet. World Wide Web kicked off on can-be-fanatical though can-also-be-inspired Uranus Neptune in Capricorn. Then Twitter which unleashed open comment to the great unwashed masses which lowered the standards of public debate got underway in the latter stages of Pluto in opinionated Sagittarius, releasing a torrent of bile and hostility. Will continue to mull

      • Thanks Hugh, most interesting regarding the post war period and austerity. The Cancer Sun/Saturn/NN of 1945 makes so much sense, particularly in light of the massive slum clearance and rebuilding after the war. Like today, there was a housing crisis, with men returning from war to wives and children whose housing needs weren’t met and for a period, families lived in mobile homes and caravans. A solution was the construction of temporary homes called ‘prefabs’, some of which were so well constructed they are still standing today.

        But the difference between then and now is that the nation was not so divided – perhaps Neptune’s residence in Libra demonstrates this – people were more willing to come together to rebuild the country. An influx of migrant workers, particularly from Ireland as well as the Caribbean helped us build the motorways, infrastructure and rebuild cities such as Coventry. In fact the standard of living back then compared to today was basic to say the least.

        ‘The Festival of Britain’ in 1951 was launched at a time when the Labour Party in government were losing popularity and the festival – the idea of Labour cabinet member, Herbert Morrison – was intended to lift the spirits of the British people following a period of post war hardship, promoting a positive, more prosperous future. It was funded by the government at the cost of £12 million and promoted technology, science, arts and design and architecture. The 50s style which continues to be popular even today flourished during and after the Festival of Britain. Bright, primary colours and futuristic, modernist designs, chrome, clean lines and curves contrasted starkly with the previous decade’s gloomy, wartime colours. The Blitz had wiped away any remaining public taste for Victorian neo gothic over-embellishment. The festival was a huge success internationally.

        During the Summer of 1951 when the festival took place, the North Node was also in Pisces, and perhaps this shows how a Pisces North Node can be visionary and even hopeful during a time of economic struggle, because Britain was more or less bankrupt during the post war period. In June 1951, with Neptune and Pluto in sextile at 16/17 of Libra and Leo, the NN formed the focal point of a Yod.

        Maybe it’s too easy to be nostalgic, because in reality the first half of the 50s was tough for all, with rationing still in place until 1953, even so, the government of the time were able to lift the nation out of its gloom. But Starmer has thus far failed to set out a more imaginative and beneficent vision for the country’s future, rather he emphasises austerity and cost cutting. The latest report is that the government are planning cuts to disability benefits, yet again making the government look mean and even after people have suffered during COVID and lockdown resulting in lowered income and higher bills. At some point the NN will oppose Starmer’s Sun/Pluto in Virgo, and I doubt that will be easy for him.

        • It’s also worth bearing in mind, as I try to be fair to the Starmer government in this context, that many democracies are in crisis and struggling at the moment and that post pandemic economies inevitably suffer for years, even decades before recovery begins, indeed following the plague of 1345 (please correct me if I’m wrong) it wasn’t until the 1370s that economies worldwide even began the process of recovery.

    • It was France and Germany that remade their economies and industries. The British governing class spent too much of its depleted financial resources on creating the welfare state and housebuilding. By 1960 the folly of these policies were apparent to all of the political class.

      • Not true, actually. The wartime debt-to-GDP ratio was far bigger than it was today. And that was before the costs of the NHS – which was needed because of the decline in living standards even before the Great Depression, the General Strike, and Britain crashing out of the Gold Standard, during yet another time of Austerity that made things worse. What the real issue was that America did not want an economic rival, and Sterling lost its primary global reserve currency status, and our empire was now unaffordable. No only that, but Suez proved we were being controlled, rather than doing the controlling. The Special Relationship was fraught with contradictions, as being a debtor country to the US, meant that we were in reality Frienemies. We weren’t prepared to tear things down, and rebuild from the bottom up. Why would we? We had won the war, right? But in truth, before the first World War our rivals in Europe and the US were catching up with the economic and technological output of our Empire. But what really kicked us over the edge was the insistence of the US for repayment of our World War I debt in gold and at once. Germany paying us back was a busted flush. So the Interwar Period was 1929, austerity again, etc. Austerity is as useful as bleeding patients in medicine. But, somehow, it keeps getting tried and failing time and time again. And, I fear it will this time around, as the markets want Reeves and Starmer to impose cuts. And that will not address the real structural problems nor put us in a position to cope with the very real economic Headwinds coming our way, like our demography and climate change.

        • One can argue whether the U.K. spent too much of its post war US loan and Marshall Aid on housebuilding and creating the NHS. The reality in 2025 is that the U.K. is not generating the tax income to pay for such capital investment. This creates tough choices between cutting current spending on services or higher taxes. If the government decides to go down the tax route people need to understand what that means. The idea that this level of funding can just be extracted from the rich or business is a delusion particularly as both are likely to have choices about where they locate themselves. At the end of the day the logic is brutal which means ordinary people need to pay more income tax, employees NIC or VAT. Of these choices rises in basic rate tax are the most equitable as it is less inflationary than VAT and it hits earned and unearned income unlike employee NIC. The harsh truth is that the person on average income in the U.K. (about £35,000) is currently only paying 20% income tax which is not a heavy burden by historical standards. This compares with 30% charged by the Thatcher government between 1979 and 1986. Indeed even after Nigel Lawson tax cutting budgets the rate was still 25% when Mrs Thatcher left office in 1990. One of the problems in British politics is that to get elected politicians have constantly shied away from increasing the basic rate of income tax to the point where it has become a type of taboo subject. The last Chancellor to raise it was Dennis Healey 50 years ago in 1975. Politics in the UK would be about healthier if politicians and the British public stopped lying to themselves that they can have a world class services and infrastructure without actually having to pay for it.

          • This is the orthodox analysis of the current financial situation, which can be found in the mainstream media. I believe looking at the flow of funds within the economy is far more enlightening. In the last 12 months the UK run a current account deficit (interpreted as a surplus in UK flow of funds) was £92 billion whereas the government deficit was £120 billion. Offsetting one flow against the other yields a far more tractable problem. The reason I think this is right is that the current crisis is in essence a foreign exchange problem as is evidenced by the fact that foreign lenders are not prepared to accept the exchange rate risk of lending to HMG for a return of 5%, whereas domestic investors would be more than happy with that rate of interest.

          • A 5% retrurn on investment might satisfy domestic investors but as Britain runs a current account deficit on traded goods and services they would still be exposed to the risk that exchange rate fluctuations and inflation wipes out any return. This would be the sort of financial repression that British savers faced just after the Second World War when government debt to GDP was near 200%. You would also need capital controls to stop money simply fleeing into other currencies and overseas assets. To work it would also need the capital to be invested sensibly something on which recent British governments have a poor record. This would mean reversing government policy since the late 1970s. I am not sure that Starmer or Reeves are sufficiently bold or courageous enough to take such radical steps or to ride out the consequences. It would probably take a bigger financial crisis than the one being experienced at the moment to instigate such changes.

        • There are so many points I could take issue with in your post, but I shall restrict myself to one. Under no circumstances did the Americans or the British saw themselves as rivals. The problem was convertibility of sterling. Because our current account problem with the US this was not possible at $4.03 to the pound. It was more manageable at $2.80 after 1949. All this was contingent on UK inflation being less than that in the US.

          In fact thanks to the import and exchange controls the UK economy thrived in the 1950s and 60s. I should know as I grew up in that era. Another story.

          • I am not sure an economy that saw growth rates consistently below its European neighbours in the 1950s and 1960s could be described as an international sucess story even if the rate of about 3.5% was above the pitiful levels seen post 2008. The UK also experienced several sterling crises in that period in 1952, 1957 and most famously in 1968 when the pound was devalued again by Harold Wilson and his Chancellor Jim Callaghan

  12. After several weeks away, I returned to this site a couple of days ago. Disappointing to encounter the same old political hissing and spitting going on that drove me from it in the first place. Astrology please, without the venom. I can get all I want of that on X.

    • Quite agree. It is a bore. Personal political opinions and inclinations need to be put directed elsewhere. When the astrology does not align with anyone’s personal hopes then it is OK (within limits) to question the interpretation but astrology is not a comfort blanket that will confirm what you want to hear. To mix metaphors.

  13. The Pluto/Venus conjunction in Libra in the composite chart for Starmer and Siddiq can lead to relationships that are destructive to one or both parties. It lies close to the UK 1801 Uranus which is going to be increasingly activated by the upcoming transit of Neptune and Saturn into Aries. One of the thing that caused eyebrows to be raised early in Starmer’s premiership was his fondness for freebies, gifts and some of the other finer things in life perhaps reflecting that domiciled Venus in Libra in his chart. This has led him into some perhaps unwise associations.

    The other key figure for Labour at the moment is Ed Miliband whose energy policies are likely to be as important for the Labour government succeeding and failing in its growth strategy as Reeves financial policies. I note that the composite chart for Starmer/Miliband has a Pluto/Uranus in Virgo opposition Saturn/Chiron in Pisces. The composite chart for Reeves and Miliband has Pluto in Libra square Saturn in Cancer and Venus in Capricorn. This suggests power struggles between these individuals.

    At the moment the U.K. looks on the verge of another sterling crisis. Looking at past examples in 1956, 1968, 1976 and 1992 Venus was in a Cardinal sign
    and was either in Libra or aspecting planets in Libra when the crisis occurred. My guess is that if things are going to unravel in a major way financially it will be in the Autumn of 2025 when Venus will be conjunct the U.K. 1801 Uranus about 15 October opposing transiting Neptune and Saturn and trine Uranus. This is also likely to be the time of the run upto the next Budget

    • Sky News reported yesterday that No 10 was taken aback at some of the reactions to Reeves policies and maybe a closer eye should be kept on her rather than just trusting her.
      On the Milliband side there is a close family relationship and of course Milliband will need lots of money for his plans. That will cause a clash if Reeves has to make cuts. Also Milliband was instrumental in persuading Starmer into politics. He ensured Starmer got a safe seat and backed Starmers bid to be PM.
      I agree with Hugh that we could see a sterling crisis this year. The government should have gone for growth first before announcing big spending plans. Or focused on less.

      • @Susy
        Totally concur, this government should have prioritize the economy and then be able to improve public services, instead they have focused on their natural base. I noticed on another thread the comment from newspapers headline: “George Soros wants to save the UK from itself” the irony of this line, this is the man that made a fortune out of sterling.

    • There are now murmurs that Starmer met and may have been close to the Awani Bangladesh party which was ousted in their native country for corruption.

      Today’s FT: ‘Sir Keir Starmer met a senior member of Bangladesh’s ousted ruling party last month, despite the Awami League facing accusations of embezzlement and of allowing its security forces to kill protesters. The UK prime minister met Anwaruzzaman Chowdhury, the ousted mayor of the city of Sylhet and a key party figure, at a dinner held by Labour in Glasgow’s Crowne Plaza Hotel in December. The pair were photographed talking at the black-tie event held for Labour party backers. The meeting was the culmination of decades of bridge-building between the Awami League and Labour that have helped the UK party win key parliamentary seats and make inroads with Britain’s Bangladeshi community.

      However, corruption allegations levied against certain members of the former Bangladeshi —have raised questions about the wisdom of the long-forged relationship between the two parties.’

    • There were additional sterling crises in September 1914, 1949 and 1931. Maybe you could plug these dates into you star gazing calculations.

      The problem with their so called growth policies is they will yield a marginal return on the investment of 1-2% at best and they are borrowing money at 5% to finance this. In addition they are borrowing foreign currencies to finance these expenditures and they have no visible means of paying back these foreign loans as we run a huge adverse trade balance particularly with the EU.

  14. Starmer has made some bitter enemies, he complains about Elon Musk interfering in Politics, is this the ‘Pot calling the Kettle Black?’ Why our politicians thought it was a good idea to assist Kamala is beyond me. I wonder if Musk has some info on Starmer that would be embarrassing if it was made public.

    Pluto’s move into Aquarius certainly seems to have upset things.

    • Once Neptune leaves Pisces, will the ever so effective methods of deflect, conceal and obfuscate, lose either their appeal or their efficacy?

      Your comment of the pot calling the kettle black brings to mind Jess Phillips on x, hoping to influence the US election: “Which are the swingiest states. I am planning to stop Trump and want to go to US version of Nuneaton”

      Whether she joined other labour volunteers in the US or not, I do not know.

      Musk recently accused Phillips of being a rape apologist for her lack of action on the Pakistani serial child rape/torture scandal, she then faced online threats. The perps were thankfully swiftly charged and dealt with.

      It turns out that she has previously made the same accusation; “rape apologist” on three separate occasions to three others via twitter.

      That appears to be the actual definition of a “crybully”.

  15. Perhaps a few sharp motivated political journalists could uncover the truth of the rape gangs and why the truth went unreported., It would save a conventional costly enquiry, assuming that were allowed to publish their finding

    • God help them if they try. Time and again anyone who has raised this issue has been in the line of fire. Repetitional savaging is the least of it, so it would seem.

      The times are very much changing. Hope springs eternal now there there is a global interest in the rape/torture gangs and what appears to be a decades long extensive cover up.
      Could having Uranus now firmly in Aquarius combined with the Neptune moving out of the nebulous Pisces, be a sign of positive change?

      From: the Telegraph 07 January 2025,

      Elon Musk has ripped the cloak of deceit off one of Britain’s most disgusting scandals

      “Lucy Allan, who was the Conservative MP for Telford from 2015-2024, explained to me how even those who do try to fight for the victims are thwarted and obstructed. After she’d met survivors in her Shropshire town, Allan started speaking out in Parliament. The pushback was intense. “There was a co-ordinated official response by people in positions of power. Shaun Davies, Telford Council Leader (now the town’s Labour MP), immediately published a letter to the Home Secretary stating that no inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation (CSE) was necessary. He backed up his assertion with claims that we now know were false. Multiple senior men were asked to be co-signatories to his claims and they all readily agreed.” Instead of trying to right heinous wrongs, Telford councillors set about discrediting the messengers. Lucy Allan was accused of “lying, causing division, racism, being unbalanced, irrational, stupid and motivated not by a desire to help victims but to score political points. This narrative was relentlessly pushed for as long as I campaigned on the issue. It had the intended effect of ensuring that the voice I sought to be for victims would not be heard.”

      • Nobody talks about the Sikh girls that have been @bused by Pakistani men. And if girls are being thus treated, then one would have to assume that P@kistani girls would also be at risk. Maybe not in the same category, but most likely in the family.

        V!rginity is an important consideration, when it comes to marriage, in many cultures. But one of the most popular operations for young women to have, is the one that helps to mimic v!rginity. And if the woman concerned, has never ventured outside of the family home, you have to consider that inappropriate behaviour has occurred to make that operation necessary. And it only occurs when the woman concerned is about to get married.

        • I was in teaching. The local authority man on a cpd day said could we chat to the girls about a**l sex….as many were turning up at VD clinics with rashes where you wouldn’t want them ….now I’m a Scorpio with Pluto on my north node but didn’t think this was my place !!

          • While I can sympathise with your dilemma, I think you have to put it into the perspective of educating them. Like looking both ways before crossing the road and not talking to strangers. Telling them about the risks and where to get help is a good thing and might actually save their lives.

        • “Telling them about the risks and where to get help is a good thing and might actually save their lives.”
          They tried to get help and were routinely ignored. Girls as young as 12 were handed back to their rapists by police. This is why we need a national enquiry, so all those responsible for these heinous crimes and those who aided and abetted the criminals can be brought to book.

          As for ‘educating them?’ Goodness me, how condescending!

          • If you actually read about what was being commented on you would know that I was talking about Pakistani girls that being abused by their own family.

            Mary Hart gave her view of when she was a teacher and had been asked to have a talk with certain female students because of the increase in VD. Due to a certain sexual practice. She decided to not do this. I disagreed with her decision because I fe to be forewarned is to be forearmed. I don’t feel it is condescending to want to help girls in that situation.

  16. I thank the gods that Starmer is our Prime Minister at this time, rather than one of the loons from the Tories or others. It is a hellish time to be PM, following the Tory wreckage of the last 14 years, and he is likely to be the only decent progressive leader in the G7 in short order. That’s a tough place to be, but it needs to be a principled one. The classroom analogy is that he is a decent, thoughtful, ordinary kid in the midst of a load of frothing bullies. He’s not perfect, certainly, but the attacks from the right wing press are relentless, and no matter what he does he is criticised. This may be the Pluto-Sun-Neptune described in the solar arcs…

    but I have a question about your interpretation Marjorie. Sun Pluto is a pretty intense combination in anyone’s birth chart, and in Virgo it is forensic – a fine signature for a director of public presecutions, one could say, and an indicator of both hard work and service to the public (10th), surely? Noting that solar arc Mars comes to meet this conjunction within the next year, I think of two energies: one is the activation of the original natal conjunction, and the other is something more war-like. Neither of them feel particularly ‘stuck’ to me, especially in the tenth house which is clear for all to see.

    • Read your post with astonishment. You must be the only person in this country ‘thanking god’ for the gift of this over-promoted ideas-free and charisma’s bypass PM. From the tone of your writing it is clear that we are still in tribal country, your hatred of the Conservative Party blinding you to the evidence that we have amateurs in government, ‘lead’ (I use the word advisedly) by somebody barely fit to be a middle-ranking pen pusher. And as for that hoary chestnut the right wing press, I suppose that is all media excepting the BBC and the Guardian. There is a recent why the red tops and the broadsheets represent the overwhelming majority of people if this country. They talk common sense. Oh and as you worship Sue Kneeler perhaps you could find out for us why he can’t clothe his wife and buy his own specs!

    • Believe me SA Mars conjunct Pluto is not something that can be spun as positive.
      Falling into the binary trap of the other lot are useless really does not address the key problem which is that none of them are worth much.

      • I guess that any PM of the time is going to have tough transits in times like these- but I take your point on the solar arc Marjorie. However the assertion that ‘they’re all the same’ is a cop-out… people seem to have very short memories about the corruption and scandal of the Tory government, a hundred times worse that anything Labour has done. The times are demanding we each choose a path: one path is fighting for truth and decency and the future of the planet… the other path is hatred, destruction and fascism.

        • Agree with Lisa. The red-tops and broadsheets mentioned above have worked overtime to memory-hole the disaster of the last 14 years of government. The coda of Neptune in Pisces has not obfuscated that manoeuvre in the eyes of those they wish to gaslight.

  17. Elon Musk’s Moon is conjunct Starmer’s Sun Pluto in Virgo, his Sun in Cancer is conjunct Starmer’s Mars (quincunx Saturn). No wonder Musk is engrossed with Starmer.

  18. I do wonder what it must be like for Starmer and his family living in Downing Street. They are not a political family and like to keep their lives quite private. And here they are, living in a new home where their husband/father is constantly in the public eye, getting bad press and under enormous pressure. I recall reading that Starmer needed to be buoyed up a lot before Christmas. Normal life must be difficult. It makes me wonder if at some point rather than being ousted, Starmer may just resign.

    • The rumourmill says that they don’t live together. He just brings his wife out for photo calls- allegedly. As for living at Number 10, generally the PM opts to live above the shop at Number 11 as it is the more spacious residence.

      • @Linda
        Interesting comment, there is something artificial about Lady Starmer’s appearances, maybe she is not a natural politician’s wife, not that I would describe Sir Keir Starmer as one.
        Come 20th January Mrs Trump will be moving to New York not the White House to be with their son.

  19. Next year Pluto transits his Saturn in Aquarius. His authority will be dragged down even further, perhaps the final blow? . Maybe Starmer will stagger from one calamity to another until then? Sun/Pluto is a conjunction in his chart. Both rule fixed signs . Sun in Leo, a need to lead and be the King? Pluto in Scorpio, 8th house of Politics and other people’s money. Argol, was present and prominent in the Labour’s Election Chart Win . A fixed star with immense power. Vivian Robson stated it is a star with instant Karma. Given the fact there was very little detail in Labour’s Manifesto . Although what has been stated since – was a surprise for many – is it Argol’s Karma? For many of us who have lived through several Elections, new Government, it certainly has been an astonishing time.

  20. There is an interesting critique of Starmer’s body language on ‘Have It Out With Galloway’ on PressTV this week. One guest examines Starmer’s fearful and scowling looks along with his lack of sincerity or passion that does not inspire anyone about him. There are some clever people can read this stuff.

  21. Given Elon Musk’s aggressive targetting of Starmer it would be nice to see an add-on regarding their connection (and possibly with Trump/Vance too).

    • Goodness!

      Elon has certainly gotten under someone’s skin and might well be an important element to consider in Starmer’s chart. Musk is certainly a component to his dark woods at the moment.

      Shooting the messenger and misdirection in one fell swoop.

      UK’s Head of Counter-Terrorism Policing AC Matt Jukes is currently probing Elon Musk over his posts on pertaining to the grooming gang scandal. Matt Jukes served as Borough Commander in Rotherham from 2006-2010, which coincided with a peak in child sexual exploitation by Pakistani grooming gangs. Jukes faced significant criticism for his mishandling over the issue, which remains ongoing. “

    • He really doesn’t like Starmer’s government but across Europe – both Macron and Norwegian Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Støre have also expressed concerns about Musk’s political interventions. Macron suggested that Musk was attempting to “intervene directly in elections,” while Støre found it “worrying” that a billionaire with significant social media influence is inserting himself into the politics of other countries. Musk has openly endorsed the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party as well as far right figures in the UK.

      • Creating a common villain can be quite handy. Allegations like “intervene directly in elections,” serves politicians who are desperate to change the narrative. If there were solid evidence it would be known far and wide but the smear stands. Will they now choose to focus on electoral integrity or merely seek punitive actions on one man?

        We might ask ourselves, are the leaders tara mentioned above, also exercised about some other interfering billionaires?

        Americans Soros and Gates are so often warmly welcomed in Europe.

        Recently Bill Gates and Larry Fink were guests at 10 Downing St.

        What was that all about, I wonder?

        The enclosed headlines give just a taste of how a particular narrative can be cultivated.

        Vanity fair declares:

        “Globalist George Soros Is Trying to Save the UK from Itself”

        “Elon Musk Won’t Stop Meddling in European Elections, and World Leaders Aren’t Having It”

        How might the synastry of Soros and Musk compare, I wonder?

        • Sorry, I was replying to Val. I think we’ve agreed to disagree about some things, so there’s no need to jump on my comments. I’m sure you’ve got better things to do and we don’t want to bore the others readers of this site going over the same ground.

  22. Transmitting Neptune is opposed to his mercury and my solar fire says being misunderstood by people. Later Saturn will join Neptune…says confidence in decision making is shaken

  23. Marjorie, re another inquiry; people think one is necessary because the abuse was so much worse (involving torture) than was made public before. These gangs were, possibly still are, more widespread than we realised, and the dereliction of duty by so many different officials – police, councillors, politicians means there needs to be an inquiry into these aspects of what happened, so that people who failed to do their jobs, possibly lied, looked away, and/or deliberately covered up, need to be brought to justice. They were culpable.

    I hope this is what Pluto opposition Mars on the cusp of Aquarius and Leo signifies, for all our sakes.

  24. One of the 2026 Virgo/Pisces eclipses may well sweep him away from no.10, especially as transit Pluto will also be shaking up his fixed Saturn in Aqua (c.South Node) at that time. I found him underwhelming as leader of the opposition, if others found him likewise he lacked much personal goodwill to help him through these early months. The extended UK cold snap is highlighting the fuel issue as well. I wonder about other Labour candidates, Andy Burnham is one to watch for the future potentially.

    • I still find it hard to process how he even became Labour leader in the first place. Zero personality + zero charisma = Labour leader? Hmm…..! Maybe it’s those who voted him in who need their heads checked.

      Everyone with a modicum of intelligence gets it, that things are in bad shape and need to be addressed but not with the ‘sledgehammer do everything all at once now’ strategy they appear to be following. No know how in how to make changes palatable and phase in. At this rate Labour not going to make another 4 years. More short term Labour needs to do a Tory overthrow, i.e. ditch him and rethink some of the tone deaf policies they are stubbornly implementing.

      • The fact is that Andy Burnham is not a Member of Parliament so unlikely he would take over from Starmer – without knowing the astrology I’d look in the direction of Wes Streeting, who is personable and a very good communicator and Angela Rayner, the Deputy PM, has ambitions. Another comment here says Labour may “not make another 4 years”. They have a massive majority and will not need to call an election. Turkeys don’t vote for Christmas!

        • @Sandra Jones. You make a valid point. If it comes to pass the Andy Burnham is offered a seat in any upcoming election/by-election (I’m not sure if there is a “safe” seat for Labour anywhere at present), then clearly internal moves would be afoot to oust Starmer. I’m sure Marjorie has looked at Burnham’s chart in the past. Might be worth another look in the near future.

        • Labour won the Election because Farage split the right wing vote and even Conservative supporters had had enough of their own party. Starmer achieved no improvement on what Corbyn had done in 2019 – didn’t convert anyone to his cause. That’s fundamentally his problem, no-one actually wants him; they just don’t want others.

          As to why he was elected leader of Labour. In 2019, Corbin suffered Labour’s biggest defeat since 1983 so that probably caused membership to go for someone with less cult of personality. The final round of voting finished in early April 2020 – a couple of weeks after lockdown started. Indeed, his boring demeanour would have looked attractive compared to Boris who was floundering around missing emergency meetings and declaring Covid as nothing to worry about and promising it would all be over in a couple of months.

      • “Everything all at once now” is very apt description of one of the major failings of this government. There is a definite sense of gates being rushed without sufficient forethought. Just sorting out the U.K. government finances, the economy and energy would be a challenge. This administration also wants to tear up local government, transform the NHS and overturn recent education policy as well. At the same time they have managed to get in a pointless spat with the incoming US administration. This is with a PM who spent a good part of his initial months in office out of the country. One can’t help feeling that Starmer can’t possibly be able to control all this activity.

        • Virgo is not a sign which can see the wood for trees and Starmer also has Jupiter in Pisces which will also have confusion about what to prioritise. I’m surprised that his Libra mercury/moon/venus aren’t more politically charming but he seems to express this aspect of his character by changing tack frequently. Before he was elected, my major criticism was that I didn’t know what his policies were; it turns out he didn’t either!!

        • It was ever thus. Attlee, Wilson, Heath, Healey, Thatcher, Major, Brown, Cameron and Osbourne all rushed to implement ill considered measures, which they then had to modify later in the cool light of reason. I could quote examples from the early 20th century and 19th century.

    • Pluto will transit his Mars/Uranus midpoint this year. Mars is in Cancer the 4th home, with Uranus in Virgo 6th house of work, with the midpoint in Leo. Leadership surprises at home to do with money ( transiting Pluto) and politics. However, next year Pluto transits his Saturn – authority – if he survives that testing time then he may continue. Yet his leadership will be sorely tested and to state what he kept saying during the Election debates – “change will come!

      • The 22nd amendment of the US Constitution states that a vice-president who succeeds more than two years into a president’s unexpired term may be elected President twice in their own right, but if they succeed less than two years into a president’s unexpired term (i.e by Jan 20, 2026 in this case, they may only be elected President once in their own right.

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