Hillary & Bill Clinton – domestic and global fears

Hillary Clinton dropped into Swansea University in Wales along with husband Bill en route to Iceland to promote her co-written novel State of Terror. Bill talks of heartbreak over Israel-Palestine given his years of trying to broker a peace. Hillary has been warning of Trumps’s Hitlerian tendencies and pointing out that Hitler was first elected before he went on his authoritarian spree. She says she genuinely fears for her country.

  What is marginally worrisome is that her Mars Pluto conjunction will have moved by Solar Arc to exactly conjunct her Sun come the election in late 2024 and just beyond. That is acutely frustrating, scary and blocked. She will not be a happy lady. It may not be a political disaster she is angsting about – there could be other reasons. Her Solar Return from October 2024 has Mars in the 8th opposition Pluto which could be financial or even health related for someone close to her. She also has tr Neptune conjunct her Pisces Moon in the weeks running into the election and in February 2025 which will be debilitating.

  Early in 2024 tr Pluto will square her Sun and oppose her Neptune/North Node midpoint both of which will be acutely pressured and will return in early 2025.

  Bill Clinton is being tossed hither and thither at the moment with tr Uranus conjunct his 8th house Taurus Moon exactly now to mid December and again in April 2024. Plus a stuck Solar Arc Sun square his Pluto as he laments the Israel deadlock. That is followed by tr Uranus square his Leo Sun from July 2024 on and off into 2025.  That is the same period as the other Middle Eastern charts are on high alert – and the GOP Convention makes their choice.

  Neither of them are looking settled.

20 thoughts on “Hillary & Bill Clinton – domestic and global fears

  1. Thanks for looking at this, Marjorie.
    Apart from all the politics, if nothing else, in co-authoring a novel, Hillary Clinton is living out some of the promise of her 5th-house Sun-Neptune.
    Also relevant to 5th house themes, people report that behind the scenes, Clinton is more playful than her public image suggests, and that she reveled in planning and participating in her daughter’s wedding.

  2. “The potential solutions to the Israel-Palestinian conflict.” https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/how-solve-israel-palestine-war-conflict-map-middle-east-ggzg72r2k
    Background piece in today’s Sunday Times (paywall). For context, not for discussion. Though does rather back up my gloomy astro thought that there is no solution.
    Two state solution: There are nearly half a million Jewish settlers in the West Bank, 60 per cent of which is directly run by Israel, another 200,000 settlers live in east Jerusalem. The settlers believe they have a biblical imperative to live on the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea. They are unlikely to move.
    One state solution, peaceful coexistence. It could call into question the Jewish identity of Israel and is not supported by Israeli government.
    Goes back to James Cameron’s thought that ‘the aspirations of the Jews and Arabs are irreconcilable’ – ‘no compromise any mortal man can devise is going to —–’
    And that was written fifty years ago.

  3. Thank you for telling me about this article, Marjorie.

    While I agree with Freeland’s ultimate conclusion of regime change for both sides of the conflict, I think his coupling of Hamas with the Gazans is extremely problematic, if not propagandistic, especially as he called for others to develop a more nuanced understanding of the major parties involved in this conflict while ignoring his own advice by both underestimating the role and the diverse viewpoints of the public in such a publicized conflict as this one.

    This is curious since a number of major international organizations and NGOs (the UN, Human Rights Watch, MSF, IRC, Save the Children, etc.), as well as over 1,000 staff in U.S.’s own international-aid agency (USAID) and diplomatic organ, with on-the-ground operations, and therefore multiple direct views of the dire humanitarian crisis unfolding in front of them, share the same urgent calls for ceasefire.

    Freeland’s oversimplification of those calling for ceasefire, for me, harkens back to Biden’s efforts to deflect from the rape and inappropriate-behavior allegations against him by attempting to lump supporters of the accusers and those questioning his qualifications (including by pointing out the multiple lies he told in previous presidential campaigns that led to their suspension) with the image of the worst elements of Bernie supporters (“Bernie Bros”).

    While some calling for the ceasefire are dismissive of the suffering of Israelis over the heinous murder and kidnapping of their relatives and compatriots, many, including Israelis and Jews around the world, who have suffered both direct and indirect loss as a result of Hamas’s terrorist acts, are leading campaigns demanding a ceasefire, some purely over the number of lives lost and others because, from a logical standpoint, since the “Hamas Metro” runs underneath Gaza, IDF’s indiscriminate bombing would likely kill the hostages they’re hiding in that extensive and complex tunnel system.

    While I can certainly understand Netanyahu’s need to actively show that he’s defending Israel, especially given his self-inflicted (via his corruption, extremist views and rhetoric, self-serving judicial overhaul, security failure, etc.) unpopularity, his bloodbath of a blind revenge campaign has been a total failure, apart from achieving the exact opposite of what he claims to be doing–ridding Gaza of Hamas–as well as delivering to Hamas a “heavenly gift” of showing to the world the utter cruelty IDF visits onto Palestinians, that, no matter how much Western media emphasizes it, dwarfs and overshadows the 1,200 killed and 240 hostages taken by Hamas.

    As your composite chart between Netanyahu and Yahya Sinwar has shown, they share an emotionally and existentially supportive existence that undergirds what they have manifested as a well-publicized martial and mass-murdering expression. So, as I’ve written previously on this site, I agree with Freeland in his assessment of the need to remove both from power.

    At the same time, given the fact that coverage of Hamas is quite muted in Western media, Freeland also seems to have relied on the West’s definition of this political entity that seems to have evolved from an ideation of anti-colonialist resistance that continues to take on the tenor of its most extremist views, especially in its interactions with Israel (and therefore, indirectly with the West).

    As I wrote elsewhere on this site, the Guardian had covered Hamas’s entreaties to the Israeli government in the middle of October to trade large numbers of hostages (~50) in exchange for multi-day pauses (around 5). While I’m neither an expert nor a fan of Hamas, I do think the fact that larger media outlets’ failure to pick up that reporting has allowed the governments of the West to continue its ability to easily collapse an official (and only) political party with multiple responsibilities in the administrative infrastructure of Gaza.

    At the same time, its authoritarian control over the region, at least in part, as multiple media outlets (including the Washington Post) have noted, is attributable to the funding and support Netanyahu (and the Likud party) gave Hamas, in a successful attempt (whose continuation Freeland notes in his article) to derail the peace process between the Israelid and the Palestinians, of which Israelis themselves are well aware, which fuels their anger toward Netanyahu.

    Therefore, by eschewing more humane and politically savvy methods of ridding Hamas (which would have garnered the support of Gazans, which has risen up against them), not only has Netanyahu failed his supposed objective in front of a global audience, he has continued to demonstrate his insatiable bloodlust (especially with his intension to further the revenge campaign into south Gaza) and ultimate aim of driving out Palestinians from Gaza, by killing each and every one of them if he needs to, he has also implicated all his allies in their complicity in a much-forecasted and forewarned genocide their reluctance to vocally decry has allowed to take every horrifying step in front of the world.

    Despite not heeding the humane and wise calls to immediate ceasefire to this avoidable conflict, which has caused so much suffering and death, governments that have used every cringe-inducing excuse (Germany’s liberal government using Nazi’s genocide during the Holocaust to endorse the current genocide has got to be the top of that pathetic list) to support Netanyahu’s barbarity can still save the remaining lives, as well as the remnants of their own humanity and liberal values, by resolutely and vociferously demanding an immediate ceasefire and the resumption of adequate aid delivery.

    • I think you rather missed the point of Freedland’s article – and no I don’t want a long diatribe in return. OK call a ceasefire – what happens then? Hamas still in existence and ready to martyr themselves and others for the cause. Not a productive solution.
      But neither is leaving Netanyahu in place after ?? Hamas are removed which no one actually thinks they can be.
      The Arabs are not keen to put their forces into Gaza which might be one solution.
      Complaining that it should never have been left to go this far is hardly helpful – however true. Israel should have been reined back years ago.
      It needs a judgement of Solomon – or a strong US President to put his foot down.

      • Well, at least we can agree on the need for a strong US president to put their foot down.

        As I mentioned above and in a previous post, a ceasefire is not leaving Hamas in its place, rather to work with the Palestinian people to rid itself of a political group that can’t/won’t reign in its worst (deadly) instincts, much like the Netanyahu-led Likud.

        The problem isn’t that the Palestinians need outside political direction (which, I feel, is inextricably linked to the prejudice people feel toward them), but that they need the international community to stand by them whenever the Israeli government commits human-rights violations against them. (Would you feel okay if your family home was razed to the ground because a member was jailed for a crime, whose definition is up to the whim of the IDF?)

        As for the length of my previous response, as you sent me a lengthy article that called for nuance analysis, which I obviously felt overlooked many issues, I felt I should offer some nuance in taking up its challenge.

  4. Since Biden has severely injured his chances at getting reelected, what with him setting a genocidal maniac on the loose, who’s preparing to do to south Gaza what he’s already done to the north, I won’t be surprised at all if Trump wins, especially given the fact that the Democrats are still refusing to offer up a palatable alternative candidate.
    Apparently the only concession Netanyahu gave the US after failing to turn up major evidence of a Hamas command center under al-Shifa hospital (while thousands are stuck there to starve and die of thirst and injuries) is two trucks of fuel per day into Gaza. Great, let’s just sit in front of our screens while news outlets stream this genocide in front of our eyes and invoke the hostages and the Holocaust to “reason” away more murdered civilians.
    I have no words left to describe the stupidity of our piece’s ability to destroy ourselves over tribalism.

    • The truth is that we deserve Trump, because at every turn where we could have chosen to pick a candidate or someone to believe, we had chosen the more narcissistic, the more self-interested person.
      Maybe we do this because we’re self-interested and we can’t imagine someone who can truly put others’ interests above their own (or at least enough people did).

      • No. The world does not deserve Trump. The notion of him being President again is terrifying for all of us, not just the idiots who see fit to vote for him.

        • Trump is the logical conclusion to the “bed” we (the collective, not us as individuals, of course) have made: choosing him over Clinton, choosing Biden over Warren or Bernie.
          Is that prospect terrifying? Absolutely!
          Is he more likely to be reelected now that Biden has decimated his image of “empathetic carer” by his continual support of Netanyahu? Unfortunately, also absolutely.

          And the longer Biden refuses to openly denounce Netanyahu’s war crimes and fail to bring about a ceasefire, the more he damages his chances at reelection.

      • No, we and the world do not need the sociopathic, murderous Trump back in office. Nor is Biden the devil you describe, though I wish he had never enabled the truly evil Netanyahu’s revenge, apocalyptic as it’s become for the wretched innocent Palestinian civilians.

        We don’t need more war crimes. Trump is as bad or worse than Netanyahu, two peas in a pod.

        As a determinedly secular person I don’t mean to sound biblical in my pronouncements.

    • ‘Too many taking sides in this conflict miss the true nature of Hamas – and Netanyahu.’
      ‘Both those calling for a ceasefire and those opposing it are making assumptions that don’t stack up.’
      A sensibly nuanced piece on the Gaza mess by Jonathan Freedland in the Guardian.
      ‘Biden and co are overlooking the fact that Netanyahu and his coalition are utterly opposed to the very arrangement (a political solution) Israel’s western allies advocate. This is the most rightwing government in Israel’s history. It includes junior ministers who fantasise about flattening Gaza with a nuclear bomb or repopulating it with the Jewish settlements that were uprooted in 2005, and senior ministers who are, even now, wrecking any chance of cooperation with the only body that could plausibly fill the vacuum in a post-Hamas Gaza: the Palestinian Authority.’
      ‘Washington, Brussels and London currently back Israel because they agree that no peace is possible without the removal of Hamas. They are much less clear that no peace is possible without the removal of Netanyahu and his henchmen. Yet both can be true.’


  5. “Hillary has been warning of Trumps’s Hitlerian tendencies and pointing out that Hitler was first elected before he went on his authoritarian spree. She says she genuinely fears for her country.”

    Mmmm…allow me to not be the first to ask the astrology of Trump being elected. A repeat of history? Brown shirts and armies of Drompf jungen marching to MAGA musik?

    Quite dystopian…and scarey.

    • Aside the outlook of the Middle East conflict taking a turn for the worst, which Marjorie has disc used in several postings. I’m reading this differently. Hilary had wanted to be the first female President. Could it be that it will be Kamala Harris instead? That will not make Hillary a happy lady being a Scorpio.

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