US Electoral College – voting in a maelstrom



The Electors meet in their own states on December 19th to cast their votes for President and Vice President. These have to be delivered by Dec 28th to the Senate; there’s a meeting on Jan 3rd; and another on January 6th when votes are counted in Congress.

While it seems unthinkable that any rebellion amongst the Electors could overturn what was a considerable win for Trump of 306 to Clinton’s 232, these are bizarre times. And both Trump’s chart and the USA 1776 do indicate serious setbacks over this period. See previous post on Trump facing Saturn, Dec 1 below.

The 19th sees Mercury going retrograde/stationary at 10.54 am UT till January 8th.  Tr Saturn will oppose the USA Mars at 21 Gemini from Dec 29 to Jan 5th; and then squares the US Neptune from January 5th to 15th. So anger, confusion, panic, a collision.

Trump, of course, has tr Saturn conjunct his Moon and then opposition his Sun from Dec 29 to Jan 15. Both of which will be deflating.

Not only is the Clinton vote 2.5 million more than Trump; there’s now a major rumpus about the Russians interfering in the election to favour Trump, releasing Democrat hacked info while holding back Republican material. And the Republican FBI chief is being accused of damaging Clinton with allegations which he later retracted as unfounded two days before the election.

All an unholy mess as Trump continues to favour as nominees precisely the fat cats he accused Clinton of cosying up to.

30 thoughts on “US Electoral College – voting in a maelstrom

  1. Its (not) funny how the mention of one name creates so much division wherever its mentioned, be it on Twitter, family members or an astrology website. That Natal Sun-Uranus Gemini placement is one hell of a combination!

  2. I know other astrology forum websites insist on no partisan comments but I’m fascinated by the spread of opinion which helps us understand what is going on outside our own particular echo chamber. And indeed why the electorate make sometimes v strange choices. Frannie if you believe that Trump is much maligned and only painted as ghastly because he’s been quoted out of context then you need to go read his CV.
    Hillary frankly deserved to lose because of her insane use of a private email server. As to corrupt/criminal? Please? They are a pot and kettle pair. Look at Trump’s business record and foundation. At least the Clinton Foundation did appear to disperse monies to good causes. And he’s appointing precisely the people he slammed her for being associated with. Poor America – and the rest of the world since we’ll get yanked into the whirlpool.

    • Agreed with you 99%. Only wish to add that Sec’s of State Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice also used private email servers for their official State Department emails, too. No doubt, Powell and Rice were both hacked to the max. Powell and Rice have not run for a high public office; probably knew they would be knee-capped over their use of private servers (as Clinton found out).

      • Frannie, This isn’t about Hillary being a shining star, which she isn’t. It’s about why anyone would want to have Trump as President.

        “We are about to enter, or may already have entered, an era of corrupt governance unprecedented in US history,” warns the economist Paul Krugman.
        “Donald Trump called Hillary Clinton ‘the most corrupt person ever to seek the presidency’. Now we know he was describing himself”

        • Oh Marjorie, that second article “Is Donald Trump a Racist?” is exactly why Hillary lost the election. American citizens are damn sick and tired of being labeled racists, bigots and homophobes if they don’t agree with Liberal thought. It’s a cheap and easy shot that accomplishes nothing. This country proved it wasn’t racist with the election of Obama. Hillary just couldn’t stop herself from calling half of Americans “deplorables” which we are not and that was one of the pivotal moments of her downturn in the election. Obama focused on social justice and nothing else for eight long years which is why we have a $20 trillion debt and no economic improvement. And where did that get us?

          I am very optimistic about Trump, we will all be happy to enjoy lower taxes, cheap gas and economic growth. Even Liberal Bill Gates is on board:

          “Trump has an opportunity to establish “American leadership through innovation,” Bill Gates told CNBC on Tuesday.

          “A lot of his message has been about … where he sees things not as good as he’d like,” the billionaire Microsoft co-founder said on “Squawk Box.”

          “But in the same way President Kennedy talked about the space mission and got the country behind that,” Gates continued, “I think whether it’s education or stopping epidemics … [or] in this energy space, there can be a very upbeat message that [Trump’s] administration [is] going to organize things, get rid of regulatory barriers, and have American leadership through innovation.”

          Gates said he recently spoke on the phone with Trump, and discussed the power of innovation. “Of course, my whole career has been along those lines. And he was interested in listening to that. And I’m sure there will be further conversation.”

          And finally, Scott Adams has a good blog article on cognitive dissonance:

          Give him a chance before pulling out all the Lib talking points.

          • “Give him a chance before pulling out all the Lib talking points.”

            By mid-2018, he’ll be gone. Tick, tick, tick…

          • Larryc, you made it through that wall of text? You are a brave man. Or did you just read the last sentence, like I did, lol!

    • Marjorie, I’m a newbie here, and I must say your fans make interesting comments. Some are really funny!

      You have attracted a diverse group who keep what they say relatively respectful. There’s a whole lot of flaming hot sauce on other sites.

      • I appreciate witty comments as well as informative ones and even those who throw light on alternative viewpoints. Flaming hot sauce not so much. Though it is sometimes enlightening to engage directly with the chilli-munchers until they run out of entertainment value.
        It was partly why I started this forum way back in 2007 since I got fed up with the screaming bullies on ANother astrol forum who were not held in check by the moderator. The astrology can be a useful detachment tool – pulls you back to take a broader overview – as long as you keep your personal preferences out of it.

        • Does the name Nancy ring a bell? I won’t mention her site name, but it been troll factory for a long time. After threatening to shut down her blog, she finally got a mod, but the comment section still has regulars who revel in rumor and “fake news”. I don’t go there unless I want to see how the shills are spinning an issue.

          Christian D (the quirky brit psychic who doesn’t use astrology) had his comment section go into a meltdown during the US election season. He tried to ride it out, but just recently gave up. He has stopped all anonymous comments. Now people have to sign in with a Google ID or Facebook.

          I don’t need to see your chart to predict that you will squash all bugs like…bugs!

  3. Frannie, wish I could share that with you. However, it’s been noted in political science, media and psychological journals and you should be able to find citations without too much trouble. It was sophomoric but also quite clever, as there was no equivalent diminution of “Republican.” You’re a Trump advocate; I thought both candidates were ghastly, so don’t really have a dog in this fight. It’s incredible to me that in a strong nation of 300 million, those two were the best we could come up with. Best wishes, and thanks again Marjorie, for the trouble you take to analyze this critical turn in the U.S. High anxiety is rampant in the Republican, not merely the Democrat(ic) party.

    • I’ve seen Repugnican so it’s not just one-sided. So it’s okay to say “Democrats” but not Democrat Party? Too fussy and idiotic to even try to remember. Trump was painted as ghastly because the media delighted in taking out of context everything he said. The truly bad candidate was criminal, non-charismatic Clinton. Cheer up, Trump is going to be great! He has progressed moon conjunct Venus on Election Day so nothing the Dems are throwing fits about will stop him from being inaugurated.

  4. Also: tomorrow’s (13 Dec) full moon is exactly conj the Donald’s Sun, with Mars opposing natal Mars. I think the term apoplectic may apply to his emotional state this week.
    Re: Deborah’s comment: I’ve observed for quite some time a typical attitude among Republicans: that they are entitled to rule. (Me: an independent.) Could be related to the Republican Party’s “birth” close to 4 July.

  5. Deborah, Oh for heavens sake, I’m a Republican that voted for Trump and I have never heard the Democrat vs Democratic debate of which you speak. Nothing like that exists. Where do you get your info?

    • I’d never heard of it either, but when I googled it, it definitely is a “thing”. Even has a Wikipedia entry.

      Laughed when I came back to your comment to reply, and read again that you voted for Trump and were so absolutely certain that “Nothing like that exists”.

      Tweet at 3 AM: “Frannie angry, challenging. Everybody agrees that she’s uninformed, out of the loop. Sad.”

      • Well, it does have a Wiki article and supposedly has been happening since 1940 but instead of the party of tolerance taking offense, they should take the advice of this person
        “Political analyst Charlie Cook attributed modern use of the term to force of habit rather than a deliberate epithet by Republicans.”
        My advice, don’t take this nonsense so seriously.

  6. Marjorie, some American background on “Democrat” rather than “Democratic”…it’s actually worse than precious, it’s all the way ludicrous. A few years back, Republicans of the Tea Party persuasion all started saying “Democrat party” instead of “Democratic party” in lock step. The fact that the term didn’t evolve, but was universally and instantly adopted by those in the most extreme right wing, raised interest as well as hackles. Apparently a PR type who specialized in conservative candidacies pointed out that DemocRAT (stet) subliminally embedded the message that the Democratic party was as menacing as a band of rodents. Their mangling of the proper party name was and is universally perceived as an expression of contempt and deliberate subliminal messaging. Strange but true, and it still infuriates Democrats (the proper usage…it’s DemocRAT rather than Democratic party that so infuriates.) By the way, an article was published over the weekend that got a bit of buzz…a proposal for Hillary to release her delegates to vote for a different, more rational REPUBLICAN…the thought being that she’d be perceived as a patriot (and will lose anyway, so…why not?)…and Republican electors concerned about the lunacy of Trump might conceivably unite around a more sane and stable figurehead of their own party. Can’t imagine it would work, but it’s being discussed. Thanks for the continuing good reads.

    • Re-PUB-lican. Do we correlate that to a bunch of drunks? Publican=Pelican, or Pub owner? Lican=Werewolf? Can=bathroom, as in “hit the can”? Lic=Lick? Re=in regards to Pub? pu=Pee eww?

      I agree that there will be tension around the Electoral votes being cast, and protests, but other than that, all will go as usual. One thing about the U.S. is that when we do good, we do it very good, and when we do bad, we do that very good, too.

  7. Email from Bob: ‘I am sure you know the use of democrat instead of Democratic is an epithet. So can you stop using it? It’s insulting.’

    Marjorie: I don’t know anything of the sort. I’m European. Democrat has no connotations other than purely descriptive, non-pejorative ones. Why are people so precious nowadays?

    • If we’re going to war in the Mid East, we might as well have the guy in charge of what we’re fighting for (oil) as Sec. of State. Cuts out the middle man. Trump economics.

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