Pluto, lord of the underworld, is bringer of passion, possessiveness and jealousy. Overseer of five of the seven deadly sins – pride, greed, wrath, envy, lust – it has two primal urges. One is transformation and the other is power, drives which are frequently at war with one another. When Pluto is a strong element in a relationship it can initially arouse intense feelings of certainty, even ‘fatedness’, of a togetherness that is meant to be. Such bonds can have a transformative effect on both partners, but the tendency in the longer term is for one partner to want to be in control as top dog and it then descends into a bitter tussle for supremacy (or one partner remains resentfully tramped underfoot.) Splitting a Plutonic relationship, when one partner has had enough, is a long, messy, bitter battle with resentments and blame sprayed around.
All of which is a prelude to the Angelina Jolie/Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp/Amber Heard all-too-public mud-slinging contests. While not wishing to take sides on who did or didn’t do what, it’s worth noting that an underlying theme in both is money, another of Pluto’s territories.
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie separated and divorced in 2016, acquired legal single status 2019 but there is still an ongoing legal fight for custody and financial arrangements, with allegations from her this month of domestic violence. She has changed lawyers along the way, one retiring when the fight became ‘venomous and nasty.’
The Jolie/Pitt relationship chart has a classic composite Sun opposition Pluto and a hostile Pluto inconjunct Mars; with Mars square Neptune, which last hints at an ego-clash of the only-one-can-win variety. If one succeeds the other loses. Jolie has her do-or-die determined Pluto in Pitt’s 10th house so she would want to change him/be in control. Her aggravated and no doubt aggravating Moon Mars in Aries falls in his 4th house of home and domestic affairs.
It was undoubtedly a ‘transformational’ relationship for him since they got together when tr Pluto was conjunct his Sagittarius Sun and they split when freedom-loving Uranus was square his Moon Venus in Capricorn. She made the decision but it offered him a way out.
One of the adopted children Maddox, a Cambodian orphan with Jolie since her Bob Thornton days, was born (if accurate) 5 August 2001, and intends to give evidence in court on Jolie’s side. He has a truly difficult Mars Pluto in Sagittarius opposition Saturn which falls exactly on Pitt’s Ascendant/Descendant axis so it would be a fractious relationship, largely stemming from Maddox’s early damage. Though it also collides with Jolie’s Gemini Sun – but kids in split relationships often pick sides and don’t budge.
The Jolie/Pitt saga is likely to drag on for several years yet with tr Neptune opposition the Pluto until late 2023.
The Depp/Heard coming together was Plutonic from another angle, with her exceptionally stubborn and controlling Taurus Sun opposition Pluto falling on his Midheaven and IC. Not that he’s anyone’s idea of a dream partner with a volcanic Pluto Mars Uranus in Virgo and his Pluto square a Gemini Sun.
Their war of accusations and counter allegations continues in court with his appeal against his failed libel case about domestic assaults, claiming she did not hand over all of her $5 million divorce settlement to charity as she had promised. He’s fighting for his career and money-making potential which has taken a substantial hit since it all became public.
Their relationship chart does have an affectionate composite Sun Venus conjunction; but there’s also a chained-together and resentful Saturn square Pluto; and a wide power-struggling Pluto opposition Jupiter.
What would we do without celebrities and Royals to keep us entertained with their running soap operas?
I’d hate to be adopted by anyone from Hollywood.
Angie is bat sh** crazy IMO. Now she is having the kids testify? Where was this proof years ago? They both need to grow up and set egos aside and move on for the kids sake. It’s been 5 years.
Solaia, You ask why Brad Pitt has to fight for even a 50/50 access to his children is because the whole divorce concept is so slanted towards the wife that everything from alimony, pensions and savings and of course access to children. In truth it is worth so much more than 50%.
If you marry a woman with children from a previous marriage, you can end up paying child support, if you divorce. Ifyou have paid for anything at all during the course of the marriage, you find yourself paying child support even if their father is already paying it.
Of course it can work the other way: Halle Berry, who had adopted her husband’s daughter of a previous relationship and wanted access, had to give up access when he made what she considered unreasonable demands.
I think in both cases addiction was a problem. When you are dealing with someone who has a drinking problem, a long term drinking problem, all bets are off. It changes their personality and not for the better. Brad has improved since he has sobered up. Brad wanted to have children (Jupiter in his 4th house too) but this looks to be square his nodal axis so maybe always a problem with home. He had his children and it was a 12 year Jupiter cycle. I like Angelina, but surely these battles are about control and hurting the ex, and what better way to hurt someone than to take their children away.
I was trying to get a bead on the Neptune in the chart for both relationships, and I guess I am going to look at the Neptune transit in the Pitt-Jolies. I deal with Neptune Square Mars in my own chart, and the Neptune is in the 4th house, and yes I have had to deal with family members and addiction issues that they have. Addiction changes people. I would not write off Brad Pitt yet as he has been doing his inner work. I love Johny’s movies, but I don’t think he has started on a recovery path yet so all bets are off. I will look closer.
Pluto relationships do chain people together, for better or worse, until someone drops the rope.
Loved last lines
In addition to reassuring us that even celebrities and ‘royals’ are as fallible, or maybe more so, than us common mortals, we can also learn whatever lesson might apply about ourselves – whether through your astrological analysis, or better understanding of human psychology – in, thankfully, not-so-public a manner 🙂
I was wondering about Depp and Kate Moss. She seemed to continue to be fond of him long after they split. Was it because they were a better fit though alcohol played a big part in their relationship too?
But then Winona Ryder still wears his locket
My gut reaction is that she is a mental case. I know that is politically incorrect these days. But she has always come across to me as a manipulative narcissist determined to do things her own way at great cost to others.
Many might consider the way she acquired her son from an orphanage that many parents used as a day-care centre highly dubious.
And like many others who are celebrated for their philanthropy: it is her determination to be an influencer that makes me think it is almost certain that you shouldn’t be one.
@Linda, the thing that makes me wonder is that if Angelina Jolie was this complete nutcase Brad Pitt’s PR paints her as, why did LA Child and FamilyWelfare Services leave children to her custody in 2016 after investigating “plane incident” and clearing Brad Pitt? And why does he have to fight even for a 50/50 custody?
I’m not saying Angelina Jolie might not have mental issues – in fact, she was pretty vocal about them in early career, especially during filming of “Girl Interrupted”. But she could still be deemed a better and safer parent than Pitt. So, there could be some pretty dark stuff Pitt is afraid will surface. He has admitted to “anger issues” and drinking problem, something that were present in his best role to the date. I wouldn’t be surprised if these were on tape.
I think we’d do just fine without the Royals.
Apparently J Lo and A Rod called off their engagement recently.
Hmm might be a piece of tabloid fantasy this one:
Winona said in an interview with Time Magazine, “I can only speak from my own experience, which was wildly different than what is being said,” Ryder says. “He was never, never that way towards me. Never abusive at all towards me. I only know him as a really good, loving, caring guy who is very, very protective of the people that he loves.”
“I wasn’t there,” she continued to say. “I don’t know what happened. I’m not calling anyone a liar. I’m just saying, it’s difficult and upsetting for me to wrap my head around it… Look, it was a long time ago, but we were together for four years, and it was a big relationship for me. Imagine if someone you dated when you were—I was 17 when I met him—was accused of that. It’s just shocking. I have never seen him be violent toward a person before.”
Having said that, it wasn’t that wonderful since his explosive Pluto Mars Uranus opposes her Pisces Moon and his Saturn is conjunct her Mars. But there are a good many positives in the relationship chart as well as some problems.
Thanks! It kind of helps to get an astro view on these things when people put stuff out there for clicks. The astro is far more reliable than the blind item muckraking platforms. Saying that, blind items were out there on Weinstein and Kevin Spacey before it all came out. However, I don’t think it was because they had inside knowldege but because it was just well known behaviour throughout Hollywood.
It’s exhausting even just reading about these people! It stuns me that Jolie and Pitt, who are independently wealthy from each other anyway, are fighting over finances. I’d be so tired with such BS I’d have to say, “Here, take it. Now bugger off and leave me alone.” And continue to make the kinds of staggering wealth they get for their roles. I like Jolie as Maleficent though. I suppose she channels that Pluto energy into such a Plutonic character in a positive way. Shame she can’t do it in real life. Stunning lady, but she doesn’t come across much as a woman’s woman, does she?
Marjorie, is it possible to look at the astro between Depp and his ex-girlfriend, Winona Ryder? Way back, there were a lot of blind items flying around around (I know, many are not true) that alluded to Depp regularly beating the crap out of her and turning her into a basket case for a long while and she’s apparently still frightened of him today. Just wondering if the astrology backs up such claims now you have mentioned his volcanic temperament as a partner.
Jolie is a philanthropist, does and lot of good and preaches peace. It is quiet shocking, as you say, for her to be involved in this divorce battle. Even more shocking she has joined the “domestic abuse” bandwagon.