USA Treasury – moving into a cyclone

38 thoughts on “USA Treasury – moving into a cyclone”

1. Good lord Marjorie is there any good news on the horizon for us at all?

2. Mr Bessent has nailed his colours to the mast by stating that he intends to reduce the yield in 10 year treasury yield. Unfortunately he has not informed anybody how he aims to achieve this. You must forgive my cynicism but it sounds like embarking on a route march through rather difficult terrain with neither map nor compass. Bearing in mind that US Treasuries carry a risk premium of 186% over German 10 year Bunds, Mr Bessent certainly has his work cut out.

   Regrettably his task is made not easier by the ill considered remarks by Mr Trump on Air Force One on 10 February where he said quite clearly that that Mr Musk had ascertained that a portion US debt was fraudulent and that the government liabilities were lower than that recorded in the US government books of account.

   Mr Bessent and his cronies have managed to convince mainstream media, that Mr Musk was referring to that other payments by the Treasury not the debt itself. Accordingly yields on 10 year Treasury only increased by 4% between Friday evening and close of play on the following On Monday on Bluesky, Professor Krugman spelt out the consequences of even a partial default on US Treasuries.

   Bearing in mind that 20% of US debt is held by overseas holders the US would be plunged into a catastrophic foreign exchange crisis in addition to an internal funding crisis.

   It looks as if the debt ceiling will not start to bite until the latter end of 2025 when goodness knows what will happen.

   I find your analysis very interesting and certainly more convincing that the anodyne picture portrayed in the mainstream media.

   • “I find your analysis very interesting and certainly more convincing that the anodyne picture portrayed in the mainstream media.”

     This ties to Marjorie’s post on media. You only have to look at the media ownership in the US in particular to see where the issues are. Media tycoons – millionaires and billionaires whose wealth came from selling news and entertainment – have been replaced by billionaires and investment companies with primary financial interests elsewhere. This means reporting has become incredibly averse to anything that could rock the markets.

     • Firstly, I apologise for my long ramble through the undergrowth. I should have given far more facts and less self promotion.

       On your point of course you are right, but there are a couple of other factors at play. The liable laws in the UK restrict what one can safely say. In addition, if you are an editor, you will of course err on the side of caution in case you get it wrong.

3. That stellium of planets in Cancer in the Trump/USA composite chart will soon have Saturn and Neptune grinding over them in square aspect.

   • Also when it comes to taxes some of the current administration’s plans are reminding me of when Kansas tried to basically abolish a lot of key taxes thinking it would make the economy vibrant and in a few years the financial problems were so extreme that most of the taxes eventually got reinstated to save the state’s economy. It was notable in that even the Republicans in the state legislature joined forces with the Democrats and got enought votes to override the Republican governor’s veto in order to rebuild the taxation systems.

4. Scott Bessent’s birth time chart shows LMT +5:08:09…..for 1962???
   Shouldn’t that be Daylite Saving Time? Thus changing his Asc & Moon.

5. Cassandra – I completely agree. So much of what I’ve read and seen in terms of the astrology of this period makes this all seem somehow like a destined event. I just finished watched Lawless Astrology on YouTube where Dabney Lawless talks about the book “The Fourth Turning” and how much of it resonates with astrology. It’s fascinating, albeit slightly scary stuff. I just started the book last night.

6. What strikes me, as an amateur and ageing astrologer, is that all of this is meant to happen otherwise the astrological indications would not be there. Change must happen perhaps to bring things to a crisis.

   • This is a very pertinent point. I think one thing Trump’s opponents in the USA are reluctant to admit is that some of things they themselves have done may be why he has got into power for a second time.

     I personally think Trumps policy of imposing tariffs and lowering direct taxes will fail. The tariffs will almost certainly not raise the revenue required to fund the existing Federal deficit which means it will widen. In addition the plan to cut Corporation Tax to 15% is going to lead to inflows of capital to the USA from outside its border. These will inevitably create liabilities to foreigners in the US national balance sheet meaning the current account imbalance will increase. The result may well be that the US will end up more indebted not less.

     At the same time it needs to be recognised that the Trump administration’s budget are going to impact policy decision way beyond the US borders. There is a real danger that capital will flow out of Europe at an even faster rate than it is at the moment putting pressure on the likes of the EU and its member states to either lessen their own Corporation Tax rates in response or to impose some form of capital controls on outflows.

     Astrologically all these changes are in part being driven by the fact that the ingress of Pluto into Aquarius and Neptune into Aries represent the completion of half trip around the Zodiac from their location in Leo and Libra in the mid 1940s to mid 1950s when so much of the post war political and economic order together with its institution such as the UN, IMF, World Bank, NATO etc were set up. The oppositions represent “climaxing, resolution or conflict, signed & sealed, outcomes & results, actuality, crossing the hump, initial goals reached or realities realised, tide-turning, intensity”. The upcoming ingress of Uranus into Gemini will also mark a full cycle from its last entry into that sign in 1941. It represents “Transition, end-beginning, conclusion/potentiality, watershed, where things have got to so far, life as it is, new starts, wide-open options, change of track, turning tide, new chapter, moving on, departures, the past is gone”. These forces are driving the underlying historical process and need to be seen in the frame of 495 year cycle of Pluto/Neptune conjunctions the last of which occurred in 1891-1892 in Gemini. We are currently only in the early stages of this much longer Pluto/Neptune cycle

     • May I suggest small factual correction to your narrative. Inflows of foreign capital increase the the US capital account and does not affect the current account. It is only when dividends or interest is paid on these inflows in the succeeding years that the US current account deficit increases.

       May I further suggest, it would be a very brave asset manager who ploughed funds into the US economy in current circumstances. At the end of the first week of September Treasury yields reached a low point o 3.7%. Since that date they have risen to 4.6%: an increase of 24%. I have discussed the spread of US treasuries over German Bunds elsewhere, but Canadian Government Bonds over the same period illustrate the same phenomena, At the beginning of September the yield was 3.5%, whereas it is currently 3.3% i.e a reduction of 6%, which implies the risk premium from holding 10 year Us Treasuries as opposed to Canadian Bonds has increased by 40% since early September.

7. The Second Congress in 1802 under President Jefferson repealed all direct taxes and excise duties leaving the US Federal government dependent on tariffs and customs duties for income. This happened when Neptune moved first to square the US Treasury Pluto/Jupiter opposition and then conjunct the North node at 22 Scorpio. By the time of the outbreak of the 1812 war with Britain Uranus moved to square the Pluto/Jupiter opposition and then conjunct the North node. By the time of the conflict ended Neptune had moved into Sagittarius where it squared the US Treasury Sun. The US government had struggled to finance the conflict with the UK and became unable to borrow money eventually leading to a default in August 1814.

   Interestingly Neptune repeated its transit square the US Treasury Pluto/Jupiter and conjunct the North Node during the Vietnam War. The cost of that conflict caused the Nixon administration to abandon the Gold Standard on 15 August 1971 when Mercury was retrograde and exactly conjunct the US Treasury Sun at 10 Virgo.

   • Just to add that the under FDR the USA also abandoned the Gold Standard on 4 March 1933 when Neptune was at 7 Virgo and Mars at 9 Virgo. It should be noted that Mars turned retrograde at 11 Virgo on 1st March 1933 and had tracked back across the US Treasury Sun on 2-3 March 1933

     https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44704

   • Interesting about 1802, Hugh. That year there was a Solar Eclipse at 13 Pisces in March, opposing the Treasury’s trader/merchant Mercury. This coming September there’s a Lunar Eclipse, 15 Pisces. I notice that the Trump/USA composite Marjorie’s posted here has Neptune 29 Virgo. The Solar Eclipse this autumn is 29 Virgo opposition Saturn in Pisces which sends a serious message that the devil’s in the details I suspect. Back in 1802 a Lunar Eclipse happened to be at 28 Virgo.

     Marjorie flags up 2026 here:
     “That critically aspected Saturn is moving by Solar Arc to square the Jupiter opposition Pluto by mid to late 2026 suggesting a life-changing/history-changing crisis of enormous proportions – which will damp enthusiasm and confidence. The Solar Arc Sun will also be in a disruptive square to the Uranus in 2026”

     February 2026 brings a Solar Eclipse opposite Scott Besent’s Sun. And by February, 2027 there’s a Solar Eclipse at 17 Aquarius, conjunct the Treasury’s Pluto. Will it be ‘goodnight Vienna’ by then?

8. Last one: the New York Times has an article on the way the tariffs will work: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/02/business/economy/trump-tariffs-what-to-know.html
   …..”Who Pays for Tariffs? Here’s What You Need to Know.
   President Trump has insisted that his new tariffs on America’s largest trading partners will not increase prices for Americans. But a review of how they work suggests that is not the case. President Trump is moving forward with extensive tariffs on America’s closest trading partners. Beginning Tuesday, companies bringing products into the United States from Canada and Mexico will pay a 25 percent tariff; importers bringing products in from China will pay an additional 10 percent on top of existing levies. The president has insisted that these tariffs will not increase prices for American consumers and that if anyone pays the cost, it will be foreign countries. But a simple review of how tariffs work suggests that is not the case. Here’s what to know about who pays…..”

   The Washington Post also has an article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/02/11/tariffs-who-pays-country-product/

   Taxation/tariffs are an 8th house matter (other people’s money). The USA Sagittarius rising (Sibly) chart has Cancer on the 8th house. The USA Scorpio rising chart has Gemini on the 8th. Over the years, I have become inclined to use the Scorpio rising chart, but I always check them both. Gemini (ruled by Mercury/trade) seems right. Moon ruling the 8th in the Sibly chart doesn’t feel wrong (because the US is a country obsessed with money and comfort), and the Moon, too is associated with trade and, especially, change.

   The Scorpio chart at present has a big fat double yod from natal Moon in Aquarius in the 4th house of the homeland, conjunct progressed Mercury, to Neptune both natal and progressed in the 11th (Congress), sextile natal Mercury and progressed North Node in the 9th of legal matters (Supreme Court). In the Scorpio chart natal Uranus sits on the cusp of the 8th house and Mars, Venus and Jupiter are also resident in the 8th. Meanwhile, progressed Uranus (direct) is approaching the cusp of the 8th within minutes. With the Uranus, obviously, in this chart the influence and threat from finance and debt is vast.

   The Sibly chart at present also has the same yod, but the houses are a bit different. Sibly natal Moon is in the 3rd house of trade and local business matters, natal Neptune is in the 9th of legal matters, and natal Mercury is in the 8th of other people’s money (finance, debt). Again, this fits quite well. It is not quite as alarming as the Scorpio rising chart, but it has natal Mercury Rx on the cusp of the 8th and presently transiting Mars is approaching it, while progressed Jupiter Rx is retreating into the 7th of open enemies. Transiting Mars is still retrograde, but not for much longer.

   So, take your pick. Either picture has tension. We await developments……..

   • @SweetGrapes
     Can you please define more clearly Mars retrograde and the years in which it is retro, I see you use the Sibly chart which has the ascendant in Sag, but you also mention the Scorpio ascendant which some astrologers favour. How do they affect Mars retro and its duration.
     Many thanks.

     • Hi Virginia: Transiting Mars goes Rx in an approximate 2 year cycle. In the past cycle, it went Rx October 30, 2022 to January 10, 2023. It recently went Rx on Dec. 6, 2024 to February 24, 2025. It will again go Rx January 10 to March 31, 2027. So, it goes Rx for a couple of months about every 2 years. Depending on the natal chart you are looking at, the Mars cycles can impact just about anything in the chart, but the usual interpretation is a withdrawal from confrontations and conflict for a period of resassessment or reflection. Since Mars generally rules direct action, including military matters, a Mars Rx goes against its own natural inclinations. Of course, that is affected differently if Mars was Rx natally, or if it is in very compatible signs or houses by progression or transit, or if it is in incompatible ones. Nothing in this stuff is simple!

       As for which chart I use, I even look at a third natal chart with Gemini rising (especially if it relates to communication and market issues, which would be ruled by Mercury. The charts to look at depend on the issue and the circumstances. They offer different insights, and nobody knows for sure which is the absolutely correct chart to use for a country. There are very few with a precise birth time (one reason why astrologers love CNN etc. – the ones that show time stamps for events).

       The Ascendant may affect a Mars Rx (or vice versa) when there is an aspect between them natally, by progression, or by transits. Also, they can have mutually compatible or incompatible placements that make them harmonious or in contention, etc. The US birth charts vary by the degree/house placement of the Moon, their Ascendant/ Midheavens and by house cusps. The timing is important for those. The other planets usually don’t move much by degree and sign in a birth chart for the same day, so all 3 US natal charts are the same (except for house placement) for the slower planets.

       • @SweetGrapes
         Thank you for your thorough reply, I just realise that I was asking about the progressed retro Mars which by Hugh Fowler’s calculations will turn direct in the 2080s, I assume these are based on the Sibly chart with a Sag ascendant, and I wondered how many years it would take if using a Scorpio ascendant, there is probably only a few years difference.
         You are quite that a retro diminishes both positive energies which in Mars would be active engagement or aggression.
         Two ways that can play to the benefit of the American people, looking on from outside, would be:
         1. Reviewing the amendment of the right to bear arms, to outsiders it seems obsolete since most people now live in urban conditions, unless they are off grid and need to hunt for food and defend themselves.
         2. The other is the litigious nature of much activity which must be conducive to huge insurance cost for professional liability not to say the atmosphere of fear of being sued, not it is always wrong.
         I do believe bringing safety to environments such schools and workplaces would work in a positive way for communities.
         Anyway thank you.

         • Virginia, I don’t think there would be much timing difference as to progressions of the US retro Mars between any of the US natal charts. They are only a few hours apart in the natal charts, and while progressions can stretch the difference somewhat, it is not by much. Progressed Mars in the Scorpio rising chart will be at 0 degrees Libra Rx in Feb. 2080. Progressed Mars in the Sagittarius rising (Sibly) chart will be at the same degree in Feb. 2080. The difference will only be about 1 second of arc. It’s the Moon and the inner planets (Mercury, Venus) that show more difference in progressions, along with the angles.

           Re. your suggestions as to ‘benefits’ it appears highly unlikely that Americans will give up their constitutional right to bear arms, although it could be limited in various ways depending on the political winds at the time. And insurance depends on current regulations and financial conditions at the time. There seems no doubt, as future climate change and social/economic factors apply, that the pressure on insurance will only increase (i.e. become more expensive and harder to get at all).

         • @Sweet Grapes
           Thank you again, yes I did not think the Americans would give up on their right to bear arms, as it is in their DNA as a republic, however more control over the use to avoid all those school shootings, it happened here after Dunblane but owning a gun is not as widespread. What is distressing is the rise of knife crime amongst teenagers and I have not been able to link it astrologically as it seems to be a recent phenomenon I’d say it is generational.

   • Even before the the tariffs were announced the American consumer was being pummelled. McDonalds’ latest results show that its core market cannot afford to eat their fare as frequently as in the past. Tariffs will exacerbate this situation.. Gross pay is insufficient to cover the cost of living for a large segment of the US population. A reduction in peoples’ tax bills will not help.

9. One last comment on the whole treasury/tariff business. The old view of the economy is that business and workers create wealth, through agreed transactions and work, and specific taxes (income tax, property tax, inheritance taxes etc.) spread the tax collection effort throughout the economy. Not perfect, by far, but relatively distributed.

   Now, Trump’s view of the economy is that income taxes (especially) and other taxes will not be needed. No tax! Yippee! But, instead, the country will collect tax revenue from importers. So, the importer (say a clothing manufacturer in China) will pay to the US treasury a whopping tax to bring pants and t-shirts into the country. The importer therefore has to raise the price of the goods, or take the hit and absorb a loss. That can happen, as long as the importer can afford it, but ultimately, nobody sells stuff at a loss.

   Therefore, goods with raised prices will enter the US. The seller (say China) sells to the buyer in the US at the actual manufacturing cost price, with a profit added, plus the tariff. The tariff is collected by the US and goes straight into the Treasury. So, Trump can say that he’s collecting tariff money, but not taxing the people directly. Which is true. Magically, money goes into the Treasury, but there is no DIRECT taxation of the people. Furthermore, it’s simple because it’s a tariff (still a tax) on ALL goods of the type the tariff applies to. No complicated rules needed. Looks great.

   Then, in the US, the wholesale buyers, like big box stores pay the higher price to the foreign seller. The buyer (usually) can afford to finance the extra for the tariff because they are immediately going to raise their price to the customer. It might take a little while because they still have old contracts, and may decide to ride it out a bit and wait to see what happens. Meanwhile, the Treasury is collecting money like crazy from all those imports and the money is transferred into programs Trump and the P2025 guys approve. Nobody gets to say what the Treasury does with the money it collects – because it’s “not a tax”. That not true, because it IS a tax, but the control of the money is the difference.

   The ordinary people will pay higher prices. No question. But what’s going to happen with all the money that rolls in from the tariffs? Are they going to go into social programs like education, food etc.? Not likely.

   • I read on NextDoor on woman was mad at Temu because they’re holding items she purchased before the tariff was imposed and now they asking her for more money to pay for it or they’ll send the items back to China.

   • Your plan has one important point to consider: will the consumer pay for the higher price of a good he or she was accustomed to be much cheaper? And will the importer in the first place think it a good idea to import those goods with such tariffs and uncertainty in the business model?

     • Yes, El Aznar, excellent points! Certainly there will be uncertainty, and consumers will make purchasing decisions based on the price of the goods after the tariffs apply. This will take time. There are many decisions and phases between raw materials, manufacturing, transportation, cross border sales agreements, supply and demand issues etc. But it looks certain that tariffs will trigger inflation. Ordinary consumers adjust their spending according to what their personal finances allow. Importers make decisions to adjust (lower) their prices to keep their customers happy, or may cut out some products they know won’t sell with higher prices, and so on. The actual importer, who must pay the tariff, will take a hard look at the situation, whether (for example) they are Chinese companies selling to their own US subsidiaries, or unaffiliated US corporate importers buying from overseas Chinese manufacturers, or any of the middlemen in between. Which is why nobody really can tell how this will play out long term. It means inflation will happen no matter what. Also, cutting federal income taxes cannot be offset by new tariff monies entirely on the treasury balance sheet. For one thing, the money flows have different timing issues as to when collected/when paid compared to regular taxation.

       The Trump administration may be considering funelling the tariff monies through the creation of a new treasury channel, separate from the usual tax channels. It might reduce taxes on the one side, but the tariffs may not offset the shortfall in revenues from the new tariff monies. There may be legislation to direct the tariff monies to other divisions in governmen, rather than going into one big treasury pot. Legislation might happen, or not. No word on that yet. There is a long way to go before this shakes out and economists know the real impacts. A year or two at least.
       The US Congressional office has published a summary here: https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11030

   • or they can manufacture in the USA.

     • You’re assuming the raw materials are available in the US.

       • less consumption of tat from who knows what work conditions at temu and shein would be a very good thing for all.

     • You are assuming cost price will be just as cheap in the US

   • Thank you for your thoughtful analysis. These are going to be tough times to live through and endure, especially for those of us who understand how wrong-headed these “policies” are.

10. As a retired financial person (qualified observer, but never at highest level), I am very worried about the state of affairs in the US treasury. Also, the IRS, FBI, CIA etc. These are fundamental institutions in a sophisticated world. In finance, stability is everything and now, there is no stability. Trump’s tariffs are inherently destabilizing – and he plans to spread them around the world. He figures everybody’s gonna pay, pay, pay and the oligarchs are gonna get rich, rich, rich and rule the world.

    It will, of course, backfire. Tariffs are regressive. Regressive means the tax (tariff) applies to everyone, rich and poor alike, except of course the rich can afford it, while the poor cannot. Short term (it will take some months), things may not look so bad for those Trump enthusiasts. But long term, it will be bad indeed.

    First, because the tariffs break all bonds of trust with trading partners, setting off a cycle of escalation. Second, because ultimately tariffs place their burden on the lower class/poor, who have no defense against higher prices passed on to them in all kinds of essential products from fuel, electricty, food, clothes and fees of all kinds. The Trump voters who fervently believe in Trump will wake up to the fact that they have been royally stiffed. The bitterness, the betrayal, will be boundless.

    But by then it will be too late. The Elons of the world will have skimmed the cream off the top and the ordinary folks will get whey, if they are lucky. In a country where the poor have no voice and 50% don’t even believe in helping the poor, things will take a long time to sort themselves out. And only a major reconstruction of the economy can right the ship of state.

    This is a situation that has deep history via many levels of influence in politics and the economy. No simple answers. Since WWII, there have been steady stream of anti-social policies brought in by both Democrats and Republicans. Both parties are at fault in their blindness toward the fundamental soundness of the economy and in the support of health, education etc. Now, when 40% of the people are already suffering at the grocery store and then you add insult to injury, it’s going to affect politics deeply. Today may look like a picnic compared to a year from now. It takes time for tariffs to filter down, but not THAT much time. By the midterms for sure.

    Finally, when the Treasury is guided by idealogy, not sensible or grounded in fact, but in hype, it’s very bad. When you top it off with purges in stabilizing institutions like the FBI and CIA that protect individual officials and provide security to the entire government structure, as well as crucial, timely information on foreign matters, then things get dicey indeed. The valuable expertise heads out the door first, and the rest either take buy-outs, or hunker head-down, hoping for the best to keep their pay cheques within the structure that survives.

    If Trump is going to gut the IRS as well, the money won’t be collected to keep government going. At best, it could be a slow motion collapse. At worst, a literal collapse of the financial structure, and a recession to follow. Most people don’t see this (and I hope it’s all wrong!), but any person with financial experience has got chills right now. And Elon won’t save anybody but himself, if even he survives financially.

    • I have been very worried about all of this. Thank you for this post.

11. Thank you, this is another interesting reading in what is a very depressing start of the week for someone who cares for the rule of law, government ethics and consumer rights globally. While meltdown of the US economy isn’t something any of us sane people in the World wishes for, it’s sobering to see how things are aligning for what I feel will be a truly epochal change.

    One thing I see here is the possibility of a complete breakdown of the US economy before the 2026 midterms – if the election will take place – that might carry Democrats or even Independents aligning with Democrats to a landslide victory.

    Another thing I possibly see happening is Republicans turning on DOGE and Bessent even before the Midterms. While Trump can’t be effectively indicted, I would be surprised that when people are starting to feel the weight of Trump cuts and become angry, the axe will go to Bessent first.

    That likely isn’t enough to save the face of the Trump Administration. It seems likelier and likelier the next few years will not go without violent clashes caused by the economic meltdown in the US, the ones also visible on Inauguration chart 4th house. Wish all American contributors here stay safe – I think that as a whole, this is a capable and resilient set of people, of the age and life experience for whom it is not the first rodeo.

    • As I may have mentioned in a previous post, I came to astrology via an interest in large-cyclical changes, mainly for changes in the economy/global landscape for business purposes. I wouldn’t normally plug another authors work on Marjorie’s site (although, I have purchased her books too!), but I HIGHLY recommend going on the Amazon and obtaining a copy of E. Alan Meece’s Horoscope for a New Millenneium (used under $3.00, as it was written decades ago). I, myself, purchased it about 10-plus years ago, and I wish I had much, much earlier. He expands out to our current times and beyond, and is SO accurate (right down to Isreal’s problems in 2024 and our current US calamities (starting on page 285).
      Believe it or not, life will not be all bad forward and we do have outer-planet trines/sextiles. As someone who lived through the 70’s and 80’s and ridden every economic downturn since then, it has been a hell of a lot worse, believe it or not. I would, however, take caution financially in 2027-2028, and this summer into fall could be a dip, too. Not that the world will end, but we are a huge wheel spinning around – sometimes up, sometimes down.

12. Another piece of the jigsaw of the collapse of empire you wrote about a few days ago.

13. Does the astrology show any signs of a default? Musk is claiming there are “irregularities” in US bonds, saying there’s no need to pay them, which will undoubtedly roil financial markets and destroy the US Government financial stability.

    • @Nicole Sours Larson, this was what prompted my question. Paul Krugman is in Bluesky, and his reaction to Trump’s pre Super Bowl ramblings was as follows:

      “For those not familiar with how financial markets work, US Treasuries are the ultimate safe asset, used as collateral for everything. Even a hint that some Treasuries might not be honored could bring everything to a screeching halt.Musk and Trump are both in the habit of stiffing people they owe money. If markets even suspect that this habit will extend to Treasuries, God help us.”

      I read this as a possible Global meltdown, not just the US. The markets have been slow to react to everything Trump and especially Musk have been up to, but this would likely scare especially the more conservative investors, especially different State Funds on Arabic Peninsula. I think MbS in particular has suspiciously quiet as of late. Marjorie wrote, regarding Saudi Arabia in 2022:

      “Saudi Arabia, 15 January 1902 3.45am Riyadh, is facing two years of rolling crises in 2023/24 from tr Pluto conjunct the Mars/Saturn midpoint. With a dead-halt in 2025 from Solar Arc Pluto square Saturn and tr Pluto in an infuriating and completely stuck tr Pluto conjunct the Sun/Mars midpoint and conjunct the Mercury.”

      Not much of any possible internal upheaval has transpired outside, except the unfortunately ongoing repression of dissidents in KSA and abroad.

      • Thanks, Solaia! I so value your insights.