Nigel Farage is understandably ebullient about the Brexit Party in the UK taking first place in the European elections and getting voluble about repeating the trouncing of other parties at a General Election. Though standing back it’s obvious that the UK is no clearer about what it wants with the Lib Dems and Greens combined (mainly Remainers/pro second voters) easing ahead of no-deal Brexiters as results are counted. And Scotland indicating a resounding no to Brexit. The Tories and Labour both paid the penalty of fence sitting.
In Europe itself the far-right didn’t make as much headway as the doom and gloom merchants had expected; and although the two traditional left and right blocs lost, the pro-EU parties held ground with Greens and Liberals making gains.
Farage, 3 April 1964 Farnborough, England 4.30pm (from memory) doesn’t have anything too startling showing on his chart apart from tr Jupiter opposition his Solar Arc Jupiter which is upbeat but very mild.
Where he starts to sag badly is from mid August to late September and again February 2020 tr Neptune conjunct his Mars/Saturn which Ebertin describes as ‘waning powers, a grievous loss’ – which may be the campaign finance question rearing their head or another of his shoot-himself-in-the-foot moments to which he’s prone. Then into 2020 from April onwards, he picks up more Neptune and that runs on in various forms until 2023 which all looks swampy. Late this August to early November he does have a bullishly confident tr Pluto square his Sun/Jupiter midpoint though that can also bring tangles with authority over rules transgressions.
We don’t seem to have budged an inch in three years.
He’s very quiet at the moment as you suggested here back on 27 May Marjorie.
Isn’t Saturn squaring his Sun later this month?
Hello Alex – but which chart (s) to use for England? The history goes back so far, not sure how reliable charts would be? If you look at the Coronation of William I on 25 December 1066, for instance, the Sun is 9 Capricorn at the MC – and the UK Union chart, 1801, has Sun 10 Capricorn on the IC. July’s eclipse is there. But then an eclipse at this degree was there in 2000 as well, with Mars that time. England did not do too well in the Euro football that summer! The 1066 chart might be worth looking at more closely perhaps.
I often wonder why, in my view, so few astrologers use the 1927 chart.
The older charts tend to work better and the UK was Great Britain way before 1927. All significant dates will have some resonance with each other but the 1801 chart works best in my experience.
The old England and Scotland charts are problematic since they are so antique – I slogged through them at one point and reckoned the England 973 and Scotland 1034 were the most sensitive to events.
In This Country, We Don’t add all the Losers together. Just Imagine a General Election if that took Place, or a Football match. WE VOTE ONCE ONLY.
But we do in a referendum, and a second one could be on the cards.
But if we couldn’t add “losers” together, the Tories wouldn’t be in government, would they? They lost their majority, so had to +DUP, before that they had to add the Lib Dems
While they are all focusing on the Tory party, Farage and Brexit they are taking their eye off of the constitutional ball. Over 60% of the Northern Irish population now want a United Ireland and the SNP have just won the highest percentage of votes of any UK political party, after 12 years of being in power in Scotland. No mean feat. The highest vote share in fact of any party in Western Europe.
This Tory driven Brexit fiasco is going to result in the end of the UK altogether plus create long lasting misery for millions of people, imo: On top of the millions that are already suffering. Farage, the one trick non-manifesto pony, who has duped millions of voters, is / will contribute greatly to decimating the UK and then relocate, as planned, to the US. You actually couldn’t make this stuff up. The “stuff” of nightmares.
http://www.snp.org/snp-victory-in-european-elections/
https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/05/thoughts-on-uk-politics/
Hello Shirley, Craig Murray has an interesting take on this. I’m Scottish myself and friends and family there, previously neutral on this topic are now set on Independence. Ireland reunification is now on the visible horizon too, much of it attributable to the Danteesque hell that is Brexit. The main battleground in future will be an England on its own. I wonder if the England, not UK, charts indicate this?
I’m set on independence too.
I seem to have a lot to say about these Elections, but one thing I noticed about “Black Wave” that didn’t come: While Matteo Salvini wan “bigly” in Italy, and is now de facto PM, he did it very much by destroying his ally. M5S even lost to Socialists at Opposition, and are doing horribly at Local Elections (not necessarily to be attributed to Salvini, their leadership has been largely inefficient).
His European allies largely underperformed, too. Marine Le Pen claimed victory, but National Front lost votes from 2014. Dutch Freedom Party got practically cancelled by Forum for Democracy, that’s more likely to align with Farage, and after Brexit, Sweden Democrats. Finns (still True Finns to me) have been polling around 20 per cent after The Elections, even making it to the largest party. Some older (male) columnist even went as far as to state they could beat Coalition Party, that has been steadily winning European Elections a day or two before the election. They were stuck at 14 per cent, likely also because their core voters have been taken aback by them aligning with openly Putin-friendly parties.
I’m starting to think there’s a pattern. Salvini is extremely unpleasant. While there’s obviously a portion of people who find that appealing, working with him won’t reflect well on people who don’t like bullies.
FN was re-branded into “National Rally” in 2018. Confused me as I wasn’t on top of that one. Basically the same players (Le Pen, et al) and recycled agenda.
“In Europe itself the far-right didn’t make as much headway as the doom and gloom merchants had expected; and although the two traditional left and right blocs lost, the pro-EU parties held ground with Greens and Liberals making gains.”
This is actually something I foresaw happening. Turnout on these elections is always low. People bothering to go to ballots are usually people who do see EU working in some way their daily lives. I heard there were hours long queues outside several EU Country Embassies, because people who are effectually resident and work in other EU countries see how their lives would complicate if all these “Nationalist” parties took hold.
Astrologically speaking, I think Uranus in Taurus works a little bit differently than people tend to think, it does not necessarily give an edge to Nationalists, because “tradition” means different things in different countries. For instance, someone noted parties relying on idea of Conservatism did well in old Austro-Hungarian Empire. Northern European Welfare States had parties defending those values faring well, even better than expected in some cases.
Not sure the EU Election is indicative of much apart from the fact that after three years of political bickering the UK is divided as ever over the EU. The turnout was only about 38% which is barely above the level you get for local council elections in Britain. At the 2017 UK General Election 68% of those eligible voted and in the EU Referendum in 2016 it was 72.2%. That means a good proportion of the voters simply went AWOL with only those dedicated to the harder line Remain/Leave stance turning out. One suspects it is those missing voters who will finally decide the matter.
Without some sort of compromise I don’t this issue will be going away any time even if there is a Second Referendum reversing the 2016 result.
Well, obviously nobody is expecting Green Party suddenly becoming competitive in your National Politics. But I actually think the vote was fairly indicative on Brexit itself, given openly Remain Parties got around 40 per cent of the vote, and Brexit Party around 35 per cent, with the old hegemony parties which are neither here or there taking a plunge. This is what direct polls on Brexit have indicated, as well, if you count in the Labour Fraction that has been calling for a Second Referendum.
That rather presumes the 25% of No Shows at the ballot box in the EU will vote the same way as those who turned up last Thursday if there was another Referendum. Even if the 2016 result was reversed I dont think it would settle the matter.
Personally I think this is just going to fester. The last big constitutional crisis of this magnitude in the UK was back in the 1970s when ironically the Conservative government who took Britain into the Common Market was in power. Then the issue was the clash of Prime Minister Ted Heath with the Unions. I am getting very much the same feel now. It would be interesting to compare the charts of the eras because I think the general disenchantment in the UK is about a lot more than just the EU which I think is in many ways just the lightning conductor. The polling map really does show a significant divide between metropolitan Britain and the rest of the country.
I honestly think this crisis is much MORE dramatic than you describe here. What ever that “constitutional crisis” in the 1970’s was, Party System came out of intact. Monarchy came out of it intact. The UK came out intact.
Now, I think even the most optimistic outside observers with a good grasp on British Politics gave up any hope of this having any outcome that’s not going to hurt Britain for a long time some time last Autumn. I, and I know many others, mainly feel sorry for the people. While Mays and BoJos and Farages talk trade as if it didn’t have any effect to people, we know it does. I’ve experienced first hand effects of a major trade arrangement coming to an end almost overnight. And that was just a bilateral deal, so much less complicated.
Solaia you are probably not that familiar with British 1970s history because it was pretty much political crisis from start to finish. It included two major coal miners strikes leading to regular power cuts lasting up to three hours, a three day week, 20% plus inflation, the highest unemployment since the end of the second world, the worst stock market crash in the UK in the 20th century with the FT 30 losing 73% of its value, the winter of discontent in 1978-79 with many public services impacted by industrial unrest, the rise of Scottish Nationalism as a political force and the worst years of the Troubles in Ulster including internment without trial. It There were 4 General Elections in 9 years and for much of the decade the UK government was either in a minority or had a paper thin majority. It was the era of punk rock and the Queens Jubilee in 1977 was simultaneously celebrated and derided.
If you check the close of poll charts for the UK General Election on 18 June 1970 (22:00 BST) and compare them to the close of poll chart for the UK election on 8 June 2017 (22:00 BST) there are some notable similarities. In particular both have Mars in Cancer in the 7th House on the descendant. On each occasion the Sun is in Gemini in the 6th House, Jupiter is in Libra on the 9th House , the Moon is in Sagittarius in the 11th House, Mercury is in Gemini in the 5 House and Chiron is in the 2nd House. Saturn is on the IC in the 1970 Chart in the 4th House and on the Ascendant in the 2017 chart in the 12th House so hitting the angles. So when I say this era feels a bit like the 1970s politically I think the election charts at least echo that sentiment.
You’re right about the 1970s which started with Uranus in Libra square the UK Sun. The bringer-of-hardship Saturn square Pluto was around for the 1974 3 day week, as Saturn in Cancer opposed the UK Sun, followed by tr Pluto also in Libra in square to the UK Sun by 1975 as Harold Wilson took over from Ted Heath for two years.
So it is relatively similar to this decade with tr Uranus square tr Pluto hitting on the UK Sun around 2014 in the run up to Brexit. We’re now through the exact aspects to the UK Sun but Pluto transits especially do have a long time-lag and it takes a good deal to shift a country’s fortunes.
I see you point, but I don’t think turnout was particularly higher or lower than previous years (when “brexit” wasn’t talked about). It’s just the results are dramatically different, which suggests to me that the voters are the same but not the issues that are important to them. Things change over time, people come, people go, people change their minds
Transiting Neptune conjunct midpoint ruler 5th – ruler 8th. Could well be something about financing and speculation.
A day of big events in Europe. I wonder if Kurz will win another mandate. And Greek debt “rallying sharply”, to use The Financial Times headline, after Tsipras called snap election. Varoufakis will probably feature prominently again.
A whole new dramatis personae for Europe in the coming years.
Kurz lost the confidence vote, but I’m thinking more about his Party doing some damage control by replacing him with an older and less dashing model than them losing majority. The whole Russian thing didn’t seem to hurt FPÖ that much, either. Given the scandals surrounding Jörg Haider, their voters simply don’t seem to care about the scandals that much, making them similar to Trump Voters in The US.
Maurice Fernandez 2016 article in the Mountain Astrologer on the 2020 Pluto Saturn Conjunction highlighted that it would have a major impact on the Greece 1822 chart.
Varoufakis is really the only significant left wing anti austerity figure willing to take on the EU establishment with an alternative vision for Europe.
Mars in aries. All mouth, no trousers.