Justin Trudeau may survive as Canada’s prime minister into next year, political analysts say, despite the withdrawal of support from a small left-wing party. Though he can no longer be sure of surviving confidence votes in the House of Commons chamber, where the Liberals only hold 154 of the 338 seats. In that case his government would fall before its term expires at the end of October 2025, forcing an early general election.
Trudeau, 25 December 1971 9.27 pm Ottawa, Canada, is on a slide of panicky failure with his Mars in last degree Pisces being undermined by the tr Neptune conjunction right through till January 2026. Plus tr Uranus is conjunct his Taurus Midheaven exactly now hinting at a change of career direction, which repeats in May 2025; followed by a high-tension, jolting tr Uranus conjunct his 10th house Saturn from July 2025. The Saturn Neptune conjunction in Aries is also poised to move into his 8th house from mid 2025 onwards – financial scandal?
His Mars is also catching the next two Lunar Eclipses this month and next March as well as next September’s Virgo Solar Eclipse. He’ll be on high stress mode right through.
What may give him minor uplift is tr Jupiter through his 10th until July 2025 though even that may not be enough to stave off disaster.
His Term chart from 26 October 2021 has a completely-blocked and frustrated Solar Arc Pluto square the Mars now and not improving ahead.
Who said “All political careers end in failure”?
Just want to throw in my two Canadian cents to this interesting discussion. PC I agree with you that that first betrayal was major and discouraging. What concerns me about PP are two things: first that he came out of the fairly silly, grievance-inspired Reform Party, and second that he has never in his life held a real job outside of politics! I too suspect puppetry, with Harper and his fellow democracy-phobic pals pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I have always been a bit interested in the possibility of similarities between his 5th time great grand father (maternal side) William Farquhar who served as the resident of the Malacca ad part of the East India Company. William Farquhar was also ousted from office and went back to Britain to appeal. And maybe in a parallel universe I seem to have read that he died a bitter man. (I cannot find any source on that now)
William Farquhar 26 Feb 1774, a Scottish (from wiki)
Justin Trudeau visited his great grandfather memorial plaque in Singapore in November 2018. (can Google for the Singapore news The Straits Times)
The sad thing about Farquhar is that the street named after him was also eventually admonished.
Thank you, Marjorie, for your further comment on J. Trudeau’s Mars on the cusp of the 8th opposition Pluto square his Sun. I can see your point about him refusing to give in and grim determination. But that may be only his first reaction. There may be more behind it because his Mars is still a tiny bit in Pisces, in the 8th of other people’s money (finance) – and he does have a lot of financial responsibility. Jupiter the planet of expansion and comfort is his Mars’ ruler along with Mars being the ruler of Aries, which sign occupies most of his 8th. His Mars can be a little mixed – unconvinced, as well as determined. Both rulers of Pisces, Jupiter and Neptune, are in his 4th house of home, which looks to be a pretty home (international) when 2 planets are in Sagittarius – but Neptune implies uncertainty, though Jupiter is strong in its own sign. And his Mercury of communication is in Sagittarius too. So, he’s all about being a man of the world, with the comfort of a secure place in Canadian society whatever he does.
On the other hand, his Pluto is in the 2nd house of personal finances in Libra, ruled by Venus, the planet of money, in the 5th of taking risks. There IS a lot of risk in his situation, for himself, as well as the party. Maybe he’ll get a good offer. The way I thougt about it, is he may find an easier exit (Jupiter) than losing an election. He’ll want to look good doing it. So, a dramatic soul-searching goodbye on his own terms, fits his father’s walk in the snow story, and might turn out to be a good option for him too. We’ll see in time, I guess!
Thank you for contributing Sandra & Ava, further illustrating this intriguing phenomenon in Canadian political discussions.
Since the comparison is so often made, I’m genuinely interested in how the birth charts of Trump and Poilievre might compare and contrast.
I find it astonishing that people consider that the restrained and unassuming Poilievre is similar to the brash, brassy and provocative Trump. I would think the idea is untenable, even to his worst enemy.
Thrice married, blunt, Manhattan real estate mogul from a prosperous background, famously famous with a popular tv show long before he entered politics.
Compared to the low profile MP from the Prairies, adopted son of teachers far from the centre of power. They were both well and truly outsiders far from the traditional political power base, that’s for sure. Trump was called many things but not a milquetoast or Skippy, as detractors called Poilievre.
Poilievre’s rhetorical ability is not uncommon for successful parliamentarians and he can clearly handle himself when facing the media or QP. In fact it’s quite a jarring contrast to Trudeau or his minister’s infamously bumbling word salads and endless deflections.
As you rightly point out, Poilievre supports: lowering taxes, reducing spending and minimum sentencing for offences like extortion with a weapon. Which are all indeed popular and seen as reasonable, by a clear majority of Canadians.
It is important to note that the large majority of Canadians did not vote for the liberals. Due to the quirks of our voting system, Trudeau’s deeply unpopular minority government rules only by the grace of the left of the left NDP and the separatist BQ.
Well…. I wrote a terribly long email with zero astrology in response to this post.
I’m holding back.
Suffice to say that , in my opinion, Poilievre IS a mini-Trump. He is a populist, uses aggressive rhetorical language and tries to stir things up. He has very few real policies to offer other than cut spending on social programs, cutting taxes, introducing mandatory minimum jail sentences, etc.
Ironically, he is being marketed no differently than Trudeau was!!…. he, too, is offering “sunny ways”. His physical image and his speech delivery have all been toned down an changed. It’s all about the branding now.
My worry is that a previous Conservative PM, Stephen Harper, and others like him, are the ones who are actually pulling the strings. He is the chair of the International Democracy Union… a global alliance of centre right leaders who can offer any government guidance on how to run and win elections, how to govern and how to promote their very specific agenda. In my view, Pierre is not a strong leader, he is more of a puppet.
I am not happy with a number of Liberal party actions… led by Trudeau. He DID have to govern during Covid.. which was hard on any leader, I believe. And I hate that there is only one other choice for the people… either/or.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, Sandra. Another major concern that I have about Poilievre is that there’s a real good chance that he’ll be able to remake Canada’s Supreme Court if elected in the same way Trump did in the US.
Currently, five of out nine Supreme Court Justices are in their late 60s-early 70s. Canada has a forced-retirement age of 75 for their Justices. I definitely agree with you that Harper is in the background pulling the strings (after all, even he and the other CONS readily dismissed Poilievre when he was still an MP, referring to him as “Skippy” due to his imbecilic nature). Anyway, as you said, Harper and his ilk will surely be aware of the upcoming age dynamic on the Supreme Court, especially since Harper went toe-to-toe with the former Chief Justice on numerous occasions when he was still PM. Should Poilievre be elected, my only hope is that he’ll serve one term where he’ll only be able to replace one or two Justices. But if he’s elected a second term, God help us all….
Take heart Ava, Trudeau has completely remade the senate with liberal party faithful.
86 appointments so far. He still has six more vacancies to fill.
The comment about Justin Trudeau having been born with a silver spoon, made me wonder about the contrast between outer appearance and inner life. As the eldest son of the modern-day father of Canada, he had a lot to live up to. His growing up years can’t have been easy, with a mother who struggled with mental instability and a father who was older than his grandfather. The family became fragmented quickly. His mother had a second family, his father had a daughter in his seventies. Good looks may have been the biggest blessing he inherited. Today he hangs on doggedly to his office, soaks up abuse from all sides and even his wife has left him. What drives him to persist? Is it the natal moon in Aries, Capricorn sun that gives him a thicker skin than most? Perhaps he’ll make a comeback later in life.
He has Mars on the cusp of the 8th opposition Pluto square his Sun – which is completely incapable of giving in. Grim determination.
That explains everything! Must have been hard for his wife to deal with. The country seems almost baffled that he hangs on, no matter what they throw at him. Thank you, Marjorie, for the helpful insight.
Justin Trudeau was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, an inheritence of heavy expectations, and good looks to boot. He won’t suffer long once he’s out of office. Many signs point to the end of his present career as PM in Canada. He has progressed Ascendant on natal Uranus, time for a new start, together with a Venus transit to smooth the exit. All of which oppose his natal moon in Aries, so he’s prone to acting out of hostility, as well as strategy. Progressed Saturn is sitting on his natal Saturn applying pressure. Transiting Neptune is on his natal Mars at 29 Pisces, along with other planets in various places at the end of their signs. Progressed Sun at 27 Aquarius is square Uranus at the midheaven at 27 Taurus – his ego is bruised but his bank account and future prospects are ok. And so on. I wouldn’t be surprised if he makes a sudden decision to resign. Let the Liberal party sort out the mess. With the natal Moon/Uranus opposition, he’s capable of it, though he may hang in until the result of the US election is known for the sake of the party that both he and his father are forever tied to in the legacy department. He may not be happy about losing power, but with progressed Moon at 21 Pisces square his natal Jupiter at 21 Sagittarius, he might take a long walk in the snow like his dad, Pierre, did and call it quits. He was undoubtedly recruited at birth to be PM, being the eldest son of the great PT. The country may have had it with him, but he’s likely had it with the country too.
A note for non Canadians.
You may wonder why the comments below include attempts to compare Pierre Poilievre (Trudeau’s official opposition) to a certain former American president.
Despite his many years in parliament, Pierre Poilievre and his policies are astonishingly moderate, inoffensive and scandal free. Leaving opponents with only smears, fear mongering and wild speculation for their opprobrium. FYI the most effective fear mongering in Canada often features more than a smattering of anti-Americanism.
Here we are discussing Trudeau’s dismal record and equally grim prospects and people can’t help themselves invoking the great bogeyman from south of the border.
Justin Trudeau will likely lose a key byelection Monday in Montreal to the equivalent of the SNP, which will escalate his political worries and may prove to be terminal for many of his supporters. Losing a safe seat in Montreal after losing another in Toronto in June is probably fatal.
Not only is Uranus conjunct his MC and almost conjunct his Saturn, both are opposite natal Neptune in the 4th. The fall of the house of Trudeau, after the history-making 15-year reign of his father, will be a momentous turning point in Canadian history.
For the first time, the rising separatist party in Québec will probably not face a popular federal politician from the same province, but a Conservative mini-Trump from the West, Pierre Poilievre, whose policies are likely to make him quickly unpopular. For now, the country is united around the need to get rid of Trudeau the Younger.
@Andre, I realize this is probably a complicated question, but what are the key reasons behind his unpopularity? Is it primarily issue-related, behavior or scandals or more personal unpopularity? Canadian politics, and Canada in general, are poorly covered in US media unless there’s a major scandal or fire — which won’t surprise you!
Thanks for your insight. I always find your comments extremely informative and thoughtful.
I hope you don’t mind, Nicole, but I’d like to add my two cents to this (I hope you also don’t mind the intrusion, André). JT was elected on a platform of hope, promising to return Canada to “sunny ways” after a decade of Conservative rule. This never panned out. He had some very serious scandals the first few years, including ethics violations but continually escaped responsibility while forcing more competent legislators take the fall for his failures. He deemed himself a feminist, though the women in his cabinet have been the first to jump ship or the first to be sold out. His handling of the pandemic was relatively well-received but since the end of COVID, he’s been entirely unsuccessful at controlling inflation while unemployment is skyrocketing, and global investors are jumping ship. But the worst by far has been the enormous, unabated increases in immigration. Because it happened so quickly and without any strategy, there aren’t enough homes, schools, hospitals, libraries, English-speaking programs, or social services to support them all. Homelessness has skyrocketed as a result and the cost of buying or even renting homes given the sudden high demand – is outrageous. We don’t have enough healthcare staff, social service staff, or even construction workers to help with new-builds to manage the problem. Canada’s always been very tolerant toward immigration, but Trudeau’s Liberals have fundamentally changed the social fabric of Canada, so people are done with him. Pierre Poilievre – the next likely Prime Minister is a mini-Trump which scares us all, but most Canadians are still willing to take a chance with him – such is the desperation to oust Trudeau who was always more style than substance.
Nicole, Sunny ways was the slogan but he campaigned long and hard promising electoral reform.
Everywhere he went he exclaimed that this would be the last election using First Past the Post. Many Canadians, across the political spectrum, were motivated to vote on that alone.
It ended up as his first major betrayal to voters, early on in his first term.
Thank you, Ava and PC! I was aware of some of the scandals and that Canadians were souring on Trudeau, but I really lacked more context, which you’ve helped provide. A country’s mood — and electoral upheaval — is always multi-layered. For everyone’s sakes I hope that Poilievre turns out infinitely better than the orange subhuman particle we Americans continue to endure.