Immigration is inflaming tensions in the UK, Europe and the USA, headlined as an unsolvable problem and scaremongered as a threat to national identity. Looking back in history it is clear that ‘invasions’ by foreigners – in the case of Britain – Roman, Anglo-Saxon (Germanic), Viking (Scandanavian) and in the case of Spain the Moorish take-over from the 8th to 15th Century all left their mark on language, cultural and social practices, were absorbed and in some cases later expelled though leaving behind traces of their presence. The Christian Crusaders who settled in the Middle East brought back with them knowledge of architecture, astronomy, alchemy and much else when they were finally repelled in the early 14th Century. So cultural appropriation has always been a valuable part of human history.
In the 20th Century displacement of people after World War 11, the fall of the old USSR in 1990 and the Middle East collapse into chaos in the early part of this century, plus drought and unrest in Africa have hastened the influx – with risk and poverty in South America sending many fleeing north to the USA.
There are no specific markers astrologically for immigration bar a thought about 9th house (long distance travel) – and some have suggested Jupiter Neptune. It appears strongly in the UN Refugee Convention of 28 July 1951 set up after World War 11 to protect displaced people. Though it was also around for Brexit in 2015 which was partly motivated by a wish to curb immigration. 2015/2016 was also when Denmark dramatically tightened its rules on immigration.
The UN Refugee Convention chart is under severe pressure at the moment with the Solar Arc Mars conjunct the Saturn and SA Sun conjunct Neptune – undermining its ethos.
George H Bush’s US Immigration Act of 29 November 1990 which helped permit the entry of 20 million people over the next two decades, the largest number recorded in any 20 year period since the nation’s founding, came about during Saturn Neptune in Capricorn; and is mired in confusion around now with SA Neptune square the Pluto. But the present Saturn Neptune has seen Trump repelling immigrants with chilling fervour – and in the UK, outrage about illegal immigrants being housed in hotels in residential areas has led to public demonstrations.
One key difference in modern times in contrast to the past is the welfare system and social housing. In the UK especially with the health service, housing provision and national finances all creaking badly, there is understandable anger about immigrants soaking up limited resources. And bringing in immigrants from backward regions with differing cultural practices especially with regard to women is guaranteed to cause trouble; as is making little effort to integrate newcomers into the broader community, allowing ghettos to be set up.
Yvette Cooper, the UK Home Secretary, has been landed with the unenviable task of sorting out the immigration problem (and Palestine Action). Born 20 March 1969 in Inverness, Scotland. She has a last degree Pisces Sun conjunct Scheat and North Node in Aries opposition Jupiter Uranus in Libra which feels erratic; with a tough yod of Neptune sextile Pluto inconjunct Saturn Venus in Aries. Her chart has only one Earth sign so lacking in practicality?
Tr Saturn Neptune are opposition her Jupiter at the moment denting her confidence and moving to a high-tension opposition to her Uranus in 2026. Over the winter tr Saturn Neptune will conjunct and undermine her Sun. With a nerve-stretched tr Uranus opposition her Neptune also over the winter and an even more worrisome her Solar Arc Uranus conjunct her Neptune in 2026.
For extra thoughts and some stats see previous post:
Immigration – social cohesion not differences ++ the case against multiculturalism 3rd March 2024
ADD ON: Sweden’s migration system pre 2015 was open and unrestricted. Schools and social services struggled to keep up. The failure to integrate immigrants led to the “ghettoisation” of some groups — and a precipitous rise in gang crime. Sweden went from having one of the lowest levels of fatal shootings in Europe to one of the highest in a decade. In 2016 the centre-left prime minister put in tougher border controls, offered temporary (rather than permanent) residence permits, and tighter rules on family reunification. In 2022 a new government reduced asylum rights to the minimum allowed under EU law. Swedish citizenship is harder to get with with new language and cultural values tests (like commitment to free speech and democracy). Rejected asylum seekers are being housed in return centres, while deportations of illegal migrants have been ramped up. And there is an emigration strategy — offering cash grants of £26,000 to migrants who choose to depart voluntarily.
The goal is to ensure a cohesive society that can successfully absorb newcomers, because it’s not fair to anyone, including immigrants, if public services and communities are coming apart at the seams.
Denmark now has the toughest rules on immigration which have been pursued by a centre left government.
Participation in the labor market is seen as the primary means of integrating immigrants into society.
In 2016, Denmark introduced a controversial law allowing authorities to seize asylum seekers’ assets to help cover the costs of their stay.
The ability for refugees to bring family members to Denmark has been significantly limited.
The Danish government has focused on addressing what they term “ghettos” or “parallel societies,” often involving the displacement and relocation of residents from these areas.
Some policies are driven by a desire to preserve Danish culture and national identity.
Despite efforts to promote integration through work, challenges remain in integrating immigrants, particularly those from non-Western countries.
It’s nice to see the Americans taking decisive steps on this file.
One recent example is the enforcing a decades-old federal rule requiring commercial truck drivers to read and speak English. The recent multiple fatalities in Florida caused by an illegal illiterate Punjabi driver has certainly brought attention to this shameful oversight.
Harjinder Singh, the illegal alien truck driver who killed three Americans, failed an English Language Proficiency test, answering only 2 of 12 questions and identifying 1 of 4 traffic signs correctly.
He fled the area but was arrested by U.S. Marshals in California and returned to Florida.
One of the results of this dreadful incident is that trucking weigh stations in a variety of states will also now serve as immigration checkpoints.
For years we’ve had comparable carnage on Canadian roads from that particular demographic. Precious little has been done to alleviate the problem. Time after time, the ensuing outrage has been managed and minimized.
The Americans continue to put us to shame by swift and decisive actions like these.
How do I find odysseys in my chart? Astrology asteroid provuded no odysseus.
It’s number 1143. In astro, you go to the extended chart selection and at the bottom, Additional objects you can type in the number manually or find it in the list of asteroids. Once selected it will draw it in the chart.
If immigrants throw away documentation and want to enter the UK they should not be allowed to enter for any reason, if they have no convictions they should be considered.
The French should destroy the boats before boarding in the water, worth a try!
The French don’t want them either. Assisting them into British waters has been their way of dealing with the situation. We keep throwing money at them as if that is going to deal with the problem. And the one in, one out new system with the French having a get out clause every step of the way is ridiculous! No country has ever handled illegal migration successfully by being nice. But with us behaving like a nesting pair of birds who push our own chick’s in favour of the cuckoo chicken is asinine to say the least.
On your second point, the French did this once, about a month ago, to coincide with Macron’s visit to the UK. To the best of my knowledge, they haven’t done it since.
There will never be a tightly knit world community just because pluto is in Aquarius ,re Andre. You would
be already seeing the most amazing wonderful people in power already , while to me the opposite is true. What about looking at the flipside of Aquarius too
A tightknit world community sounds a little utopic but Aquarius is all about rebellion is it not. Especially against the establishment. Pluto is a slow-moving planet, so maybe give it time.
I’m excited by Gemini transiting Uranus too.
Cool logic (Aquarius) meets the orator (Gemini).
Pluto is just beginning its transit. I am not saying there will be a wonderful world community when it ends. I am saying the world will make significant progress in that direction, as it did during the last transit with the American and French revolutions and the passage of the Bill of Rights.
Pluyo in Aquarius is about the shifting, upheaval and movement of the people when inequality bites hard. Much popular unrest in general in the late 18th century as Pluto entered the final decan of Aquarius, particularly in Britain as was noted by foreign visitors at the time. Low crop yields, due to an extremely harsh winter as well as flooding caused shortages and high prices and 1795 in particular saw food riots throughout the nation as well as the so-called ‘Revolt of the Housewives’ of that year. Women played a key role in this uprisings, seizing food stocks to redistribute among the poorer classes. In parliament a minimum wage bill was proposed, but quashed by William Pitt the younger.
Meanwhile in France, the revolution had entered its bloodiest years where it gained its title, ‘The Reign of Terror’, only coming to an end with the execution of Maximilien Robespierre in late July ‘94 under a Fixed Saturn/Pluto square with Saturn at 26 Taurus and Pluto at 25 Aquarius – this square will repeat in 2028. Neptune had ingressed into Scorpio during the ‘Terror’ appropriately, given its Grand Guignol nature. Blood ran in channels into the streets and the citizens paraded the severed heads of the Revolution’s victims.
Uranus and Saturn rule Aquarius and neither of those gods would ever win ‘father of the year’ to put it mildly.
Using Odysseus for immigrants/immigration. Here is Odysseus in the charts of:
Enoch Powell has Mars, 7th, opposition Odysseus.
Michel Houuellbecq has Jupiter, r7, r10, square Odysseus.
Douglas Murray has Sun square Odysseus and Moon opposiition Odysseus.
I found the link to the Mar 3, 2024 article on Immigration. Here it is below:
https://star4cast.com/immigration-social-cohesion-not-differences/
To me, this is all about Pluto in Aquarius, which is creating a more tightly knit world community in many ways. One of them is technology and social media such as this page, another is mass displacement and immigration to unprecedented levels that put national loyalties into question. One day, humannity will be one and the entire planet will belong to everone, but that day is obvioulsy far off. What we are living through now is the increasignly awkaward and socially unstable transition between national interests and the interests of humanity as a whole. The white race will inevitably become the minority everywhere. My Aquarian Mercury, now conjunct Pluto, sextile Saturn-Neptune and trine Uranus, is quite comfortable and detached about this intellectually, but my Jupiter-Uranus conjunciton in Cancer square Neptune is fiercely patriottic to a nation (Québec) that is not yet born but may itself become a Pluto in Aquarius country.
I’ll quickly touch on legal immigration and this post may come across as right-wing, so if it makes people uncomfortable, Marjorie, please delete it.
I came across a thread on Twitter by a user named RussinCheshire, who makes a persuasive case that if we want to (a) maintain women’s right to not have children and (b) have a reasonable rate of GDP to support old people/retirees, then (c) we must have a lot of migration of working people from other countries.
Essentially, he argues that to maintain a sustainable rate of pensioners to working people (who will be paying the taxes to maintain the retirees),
————Quote from their thread (dated August 15th at 4:31PM BST)———————————
There are only 3 ways (as far as I can see) to keep that ratio manageable (i.e. not getting worse than today)
1. Every woman in the UK between 18-35 has 5 children in the next 5 years or so.
2. We deliberately kill of millions of older people.
3. We have mass immigration.
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Because the first two options are unsustainable, the third is the only alternative.
(2) above ties in with the Assisted Dying Bill currently going through the UK Parliament at the moment. (1) ties in with the loss of reproductive rights in the US.
So it can be argued that immigration/mass migration is not a topic to be looked at in isolation, but impacts multiple other topics.
In that sense, it is like astrology. It is no good looking at just specific placements and aspects, one needs to look at the whole chart to get a feeling of the topic.
Again, apologies if this upsets some. It is a different approach to the conventional approach of thinking of each of the topics above separately.
What I want to know is how are countries at the same time bursting at the seems – resources to manage the influx of new people: schooling, healthcare etc. – and also apparently not having enough people in the population? Something is off.
Clearly it is because they don’t have enough young people to pay for pensions. They don’t lack people overall if they have massive immigration. Immigrants are needed to make up for the decline of the young who service the old. The overall depopulation of the West has already begun. Examples are deserted villages in Italy and Spain. The same holds true in Japan and Russia whose population will decline sharoly because they admit few immigrants. China will be next.
Not enough *working-age* people.
There is a surfeit of retirees/people close to retirement, but the number of people in the 20-50 age group, who can be productive and can reproduce, is lower than in the past.
The replacement rate of the population is 2.1 children per woman to have a stable population. The extra 10 is children in the second generation that don’t reproduce. Industrialization and particularly urbanization reduces the number of children per woman.
Africa is the last continent that is growing and that is probably a mirage, their rates are cratering due to industrialization/urbanization. In 2016 the rate was 5.6 and in 2021 the rate had fallen to 4.1. In ten years (2010-2020), Nigeria’s predicted future population dropped by 200 million and the fertility rate is still plummeting by other countries standards of decline.
The problem with population today started a long time ago and the rate doesn’t really tell people the real problem. Mass migration won’t solve the the demographic problem in Europe or North America, the problem is bigger than that and it started in the early 1970s but wasn’t as deep a depression in childbearing as we are currently seeing.
I subscribe some of this to the Pluto in Capricorn transit which opposed Cancer (mothers and babies). Now we should see that Pluto in Aquarius will play out as a challenge with children followed by Pluto in Pisces which is a challenge with Virgo workers.
I’ll illustrate how difficult this is going to be to fix because unless the economy changes drastically it is unlikely we will see growth in humans for quite some time and places like China and Russia are so bad they are facing collapse as a ethnic population.
To simplify we have to ignore issues like more males are born than females and assume a 50/50 split.
100 women need to produce 210 children to maintain a stable population.
In the US – 100*1.62 = 162 (81-.8=80.2 women now need to produce 210 children to keep the population stable, 210/80.2 = 2.61 children per woman) This means in the first generation one woman in ten needed to have three children. With that amount of reduction in the second generation, 3 women in five will need to have three children.
Canada – 100*1.26 = 126 (63-.6=62.4 2nd generation replacement rate needed 210/62.4=3.36, Every Canadian woman needs to have 3 children and 2 in 5 need to have a 4th child. That is to keep the population stable it doesn’t represent growth.
Ukraine – 100*0.98 = 98 (48-.4=47.6 2nd generation replacement rate needed 210/47.6=4.41, Every Ukrainian woman needs to have at least four children and 2 in 5 need to have a 5th child.
From Wikipedia with no citation other than United Nations, I’ve added selected 2023 data for countries in that region.
United Nations Continental Major Regions 2023 births/woman
1 Africa 4.07
2 Oceania 2.14
3 Asia 1.88
4 Latin America and the Caribbean 1.81
4 Northern America 1.60 – Mexico 1.91, USA 1.62, Canada 1.26
5 Europe 1.40 – France 1.66, United Kingdom 1.56, Ireland 1.5, Norway 1.4, Ukraine 0.98
Interesting points, UM. But I think that AI will both disrupt and transform the jobs market – Pluto in Aquarius. Some jobs will no longer require the same human input. Some people will struggle to find work. Others will need new skills, which not everyone will be able to acquire. So at least some of the taxation required to support welfare and pensions etc will not be levied on human beings, but on AI in some way. Secondly, migrants require welfare, health care, housing and old-age support too. It will be a long, strange transition I suspect. More working age people is not necessarily the answer. Perhaps we haven’t even thought of some of the solutions yet?
The ‘paying the pensions’ argument always seems wrong-headed to me. If we have to have an increasing population to support the old, how are we going to support those greater numbers when they are old? We will need to have an exponentially increasing population to support an ever increasing burden of elderly people?
It seems to me the solutionis in the opposite direction. When my parents were born, there were only 2 billion people on the planet, yet economies seemed to manage very well. I would posit a decrease in population = more resources to go around and consequently, fewer conflicts and wars.
@UM, I don’t see this statement of reality as particular right-wing or offensive. We’re seeing this play out in the US right now — and I say this as a pragmatic liberal.
Immigrants will grow old themselves, requiring an accelerating need for further migrants. There is also a current mass emigration of native young people from the UK, especially graduates, medics and skilled trades, to Australia, Middle and Far East especially. There aren’t jobs for them, employers want cheap labour, so it’s a complex situation.
Thanks Marjorie. I agree about travelling Jupiter and boundaryless Neptune aspects being involved with mass migration. I looked at Rex Bills’ Rulership Book, and found ‘Migration’ with Uranus and Neptune – not necessarily in aspect together. Foreigners – Uranus, Jupiter; Strangers – Uranus, 9th house, 7th house – might represent partners, alliances, and open enemies. Anyway, thoughts to consider.
Also notice that Yvette Cooper’s Sun, NN, and S Node with Jupiter are in line for the September 29 Virgo Solar Eclipse. Her Sun aligns with the 1066 29 Pisces Moon square Uranus 28 in travelling Sagittarius. Also, I’m considering the possible effects on the UK 1801 Uranus at 1 Libra in the hidden 12th. The Labour Party Conference begins just a week later on 28th September with Mars in Scorpio square Pluto in Aquarius. Intense?
The UN Refugee Convention will also see that difficult Virgo Eclipse on its 28 Virgo Saturn and SA Mars. Interesting to see the ‘victim/saviour’ Virgo/Pisces axis at work?
I believe we’re seeing an ongoing shake-up of the post WW2 consensus in a number of ways now, across a number of organisations, nations, and even ideals. Unclear, as yet, as to where the pieces thrown up in the air might eventually settle.
There are two separate things here, “immigrants” and “immigration”.
According to Deborah Houlding’s ‘The Houses, Temples of the Sky’, the 12th rules over homeless people, which is what asylum seekers and economic migrants (both types of immigrants essentially) are when they first arrive.
But I think Marjorie is right about the 9th ruling over immigration. The 9th rules over foreign affairs, the Law, including international law, and long distance travel. It makes sense to me.
Thank you for addressing this issue Marjorie and sorry to learn that confusion will continue to reign and civil unrest possibly occur. Currently, for Labour and the Conservatives, the topic of Immigration is like two bald men fighting over a comb…..while Reform, with no prospect of being in government for 4 years, picks up support. It’s easy to be popular when you have no record to defend or immediate prospect of governing …..and the 19 year old Reform Leader of Warwickshire County Council (Budget over £460 million) will need to be very convincing!
While 9th house is about long distance travel, but to my mind that is about visiting other cultures to see and understand how they do things differently, so you can learn from them. Then when progressing to the 10th house, you can use the best practices of those other cultures to be more effective as you individually try to do better as part of society. While I suppose the 9th could be about remaining in the foreign place, I’d say more usually it’s about then returning to your place of origin or moving on. Just like when you go away to university and move on afterwards. The 10th is a glorification of our own personal power and effectiveness within society, maybe hoping to shape the society.
I’d say immigration is 11th – 12th house … how do we get along as a group? The 11th house has idealistic notion that we can all just get along living together for the greater good – thinking that we can logic our way through problems. The 12th requires us to be willing to understand the problems of the others, to accept that they have their differences as we do for them, to sacrifice a little of our ego about how we thought the world should be in the 11th to get along.
It’s notable that we’ve had Uranus/Neptune go through Aqua/Pisces in the 2000s with only an undercurrent of immigration problems. Then when Uranus moved into Aries and then Taurus – we got the egos shouting “me, me, me” – a reassertion of the self, no interest in the whole of society.
Housing asylum seekers (largely entering the UK from neighbouring France) in wholly unsuitable accommodation (e.g. expensive hotels) – including exclusive parts of central London (where might I add, most Brits and ‘legal’ economic migrants can’t afford to live) was never going to wash with the general public. What’s the government thinking? Clueless at best. Shockingly dismissive of public feeling, at worst.
Marjory thanks for the astrology on Yvette Cooper. Yvette is well versed on the thorny issue of asylum as former Chair of the Home Affairs Select Commitee. But unless she gets it together – and fast, I don’t see her lasting long in the job.
When people arrive here undocumented without papers etc, the government needs to know where they are until their case is processed. They have to have an address. Otherwise folk would just disappear into the country, untraceable. Processing has been taking at least 18months. That’s the problem, how long that takes. Once done, then they’re either out or on their own to join either family or the rest of the homeless population.
Correct. But 18 months + in a hotel? Really!
I’m sure some accommodation can be found in the Highlands of Scotland or the North-East of England.
They need to be housed/accommodated and kept safe. It doesn’t have to be in places where accommodation is already difficult to get, which is most large cities.
Exactly. Id rather see an exchange of young people living in parts of the country where employment is high being coached in to live in hotels in the big cities and those ‘fleeing for their life’ housed in parts of the country where employment opportunities are limited. After all, asylum seekers are prohibited from working.
Sky News has published today the number of asylum seekers housed in every local authority and the percentage in hotels. Interesting reading and shows they are spread about the country.
Believe me, we have our share in the North East!
Why should Scotland or the North East have to house them?We have house shortages and homeless too!We have people at food banks who work?The poverty in the North East and Scotland is jaw dropping!
@Linda I have no doubt you do. Dispersal is best, but hotels, and in central London too (one of the most expensive cities in the world) is not the answer and in no way discourages the situation.
….and a result of the policies of previous governments… now being weaponised by Reform.
I’m hoping that as Neptune moves into Aries, the lies and manipulation of the far right will become more difficult to hide.
It is a very complex issue. Governments knew for years there was a baby boom of pensioners to pay for so they should have planned for it not now try to blame pensioners. There is immense anger across the whole of Europe by people feeling they are being replaced and that services are given first to non citizens and there is truth in both factors. Ghettos are being produced that are unrecognisable across every major city and then they spread. Presently indigenous people moved to the countryside but that is no longer working. The way forward massive push for integration not capitulation and priority to those who are long term residents. It is not a level playing field for local people that is why there is anger not so much racism. Let us hope there is more intermarriage and cross cultural understanding whilst protecting Europe’s Christian roots and framework. Would be interesting if Marjorie sees that coming
” There are no specific markers astrologically for immigration bar a thought about 9th house (long distance travel) ”
In mythology, Odysseus was the traveller, the immigrant, moving to different lands.
I use asteroid “Odysseus” in my charts for immigrant, immigration.
In the UN Refugee Convention, natal Odysseus, is in the 9th House of traveller. trine Asc.
In the USA Immigratiion Act, natal Odysseus is at 22Libra00 square Saturn…. meaning
the administration of immigrants.
In Yvette Cooper’s natal chart, Odysseus is at 24Sag46 trine Saturn at 24Arr56. She
is responsible for the administration of immigrants. Sagittarius is the immigrant sign.