Canada 2025 – facing Trump’s threat

Canada is in political turmoil as Trump, the great disruptor, throws a spoiler into the mix with his promised 25% tariff on all goods and services, causing the Deputy Prime Minister to resign saying that Justin Trudeau was not up to the job of confronting aggressive “America-first” economic nationalism.

  Trudeau’s popularity was already plummeting and the blunt accusations from Chrystia Freeland, long seen as an ally, may well the tipping point which pushes him out. Though with his Mars on the cusp of the 8th opposition Pluto he won’t give up until the absolutely last gasp.  The decision to step down might be made for him in the new year, if the opposition New Democratic party withdraws its support from his minority government.

 A political commentator remarked (which is a thought to take on board), ““Trump has less of an ideological agenda than he does to disrupt, dismantle and upset a stable political system.”

 The Canada chart, 1 July 1867 12am Ottawa, has tr Neptune and Saturn square the late Gemini Moon for a  depressed and discouraged electorate early in 2025 and on this start time Pluto moving into the 11th is hinting at a change in hopes for the future.  But nothing much else showing in planetary aspects until 2027 when tr Uranus squares the Mars and 2028/9 when tr Neptune squares the Sun Uranus in Cancer which will be unsettling and directionless.

 The Bank of Canada chart, 11 March 1935,  has one marginally upbeat tr Uranus opposition Jupiter later this month to middle March 2025 with more problems brewing in 2026/27 with a jarring tr Uranus square Saturn; and a total road-blocked SA Pluto conjunct Mars.

Trudeau’s relationship with Trump is in bad shape early in 2025 with tr Neptune conjunct the composite Sun and square Saturn.  With Trump’s relationship chart with Canada troubled for longer – with tr Neptune square the Jupiter opposition Pluto Uranus and then Sun and then Venus from now right through the next administration. Undermining and disappointing.

 Justin Trudeau, 25 December 1971 9.27pm Ottawa, has a repeat from last summer of the failure-ridden tr Neptune conjunct his Mars in Pisces this coming March 2025. That coincides with two of his rivals Poilievre and Freeland having ‘lucky’ break’ midpoints so it may point to his departure. Tr Uranus is conjunct his Midheaven for a change of career direction from May 2025 onwards. Tr Neptune then continues on to oppose Trudeau’s Pluto from June and throughout 2026 – so a long slide downhill. He’ll be jangled and jolted by tr Uranus conjunct his 10th house Saturn from July 2025 onwards. With more disappointment and losses from tr Neptune square his Capricorn Sun in 2026.

 Neither of his two rivals looks particularly upbeat (without birth times) moving ahead in 2025.

 Canada and Trump really is the greatest worry with the Bank of Canada chart hinting at considerable problems ahead.

15 thoughts on “Canada 2025 – facing Trump’s threat

  1. Not just tariffs, but Trump has mused about annexing Canada – accumulation of wealth for image and security, and of property in particular, being his foremost motivation, I’d expected him to project his personal desires into the nation’s and set his eyes on his valuable neighbor (as opposed to the one in the South who serves as a convenient political scapegoat). Global warming only serves to expand his visions of unoccupied land for the taking. He’d already hoped to exchange PR for Greenland.

    For those of us Americans hoping to escape his policies, Canada is the nearest refuge, but also his nearest target. We’ve been so fortunate to have it as a neighbor, but it can no longer be said that the reverse is true.

  2. Here is Trudeau’s natal in a biwheel with his Age Harmonic chart for age 57.
    Trump sits on his 6th of injury, conjuncting Justin’s Venus, r10, career,
    and aspecting Justin’s natal Neptune.
    Justin himself has Age Harmonic Uranus aspecting his natal Uranus.
    a looming upset for him.

    https://ibb.co/vc4crVT

  3. In addition to being a disruptor, Trump wants all the attention focused on him. He’s extraordinarily successful at sucking up all the focus, even (or especially) among people who loathe him and want him to pay for his crimes and disappear.

    Poor Canada — and the US and anyone else subject to Trump’s whims and vengeance!

    • The 25 percent tariffs on Canada are to get Trudeau off his butt and close the border to migrants and illegal drugs. Wall Street Journal reporting today that a spending plan has been unveiled to boost border security. I like that he’s using the threat of tariffs to get Mexico and Canada in line. He won’t use them if they comply.

      • @Maggie, I’m afraid WSJ is completely duped by commentators in Trump Admin who know, fully well, that he 100% intends to enforce the tariffs. Because they are DJT’s own original idea he has been enamoured with since the 1980’s. This is his “Build The Wall” of this cycle, he will absolutely start looking at the tariffs from Day 1. They will likely look like that Wall on Southern Boarder he seems in no hurry to complete, but as with the Wall, this is HIS project, and it’s all that counts.

        • And while I am in this, there are always “Trump Admin” projects he isn’t in any rush to truly finish. For instance, I just know he really doesn’t believe in “looking at” polio vaccines. Or dismantling NATO, as long as Macron keeps on inviting him to cool parades. Because these are not initially his ideas, but ideas of people who could help him at the time politically, Steve Bannon in 2016 and RJK jr this cycle.

          His core believes are essentially simplistic economic theory based on there always being a finite amount of resources to be dealt between the winner and the loser and the New York style racism inherited from his father (very much limited to Black and maybe Latino men).

          Astrology: Leo Asc conjunct Mars is very “face value”. You don’t have to be a fine judge of character to interpret their statements.

        • @solaia
          One of the options mentioned by experts is for Canada to withhold their exports of electricity and other power sources if Trump gets nasty with tariffs for Trudeau…. I mean you can’t a knife to a gun fight

      • The amount of drugs coming across from Canada is ridiculously miniscule in comparison to what comes in from Mexico. Between October 2023 and September 2024, the U.S. Border Patrol seized 19.5 kg or 43 pounds of fentanyl coming from Canada as opposed to over 21,000 pounds or over 9255.4398 kg of fentanyl coming from Mexico. Furthermore, according to Border Patrol statistics, the ones most likely to be bringing fentanyl into the U.S. are Americans, not Canadians or Mexicans.

        Obviously, there is a massive market for opioids in the U.S. thanks in large part to the American pharmaceutical industry and a for-profit healthcare system that created an opioid epidemic with their false claims concerning the addictive properties of oxycodone (commonly prescribed and sold as OxyCotin or Roxicodone) . Americans should reflect upon Nancy Reagan’s advice and just say no to drugs: Mexico and Canada are not responsible for the rampant drug abuse in the U.S.

        Seeing how border security should not be a one-way affair, one wonders what a second Trump Administration plans on doing about the illegal guns that show up on Canadian streets. The overwhelming majority of shootings in Canada are a result of guns that were bought or stolen in the United States.

        As for migrant crossings, the numbers of people crossing illegally into Canada from the United States during the first Trump Administration exceeded the number of migrants entering the U.S. illegally from Canada. Try googling “Roxham Road”. Over 100,000 migrants crossed over at the Roxham Road crossing at Lasalle, Quebec into Canada between 2017 and 2023 when Canada and the Biden Administration closed a loophole in the 2004 Safe Third Country Agreement.

        Trump could have sent quiet feelers out to Canadian officials to discuss his concerns about the security of the border: Canadians are not unreasonable. Instead, the uncouth and ignorant Trump chose to issue threats and insults over social media.

        Contrary to his claims, the overwhelming majority of Canadians don’t wish to join the U.S. in any way, let alone as a fifty-first state. A recent poll of Canadians found that only 13% thought that it would be great to become Americans.
        I am no fan of Justin Trudeau, but referring to him as the “Governor of the Great State of Canada” is an insult to all Canadians.

        Trump has made the false claim that Canada is subsidized by the U.S. to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars. That is a massive lie. Trump conflates a trade deficit in goods with a subsidy, and even then, his numbers are wrong. He also omits the fact that Canadians run a deficit with the U.S. on the sale of services.

        It is truly hard to fathom that a supposed graduate of a leading business school such as the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania could be so absolutely clueless as to the definitions of terms such as “tariff” or “subsidy”, but then again, his late older sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, is on a recording telling her niece, Mary L. Trump, that she and others used to do his high school homework and that someone was paid to take his Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) to gain admittance to Fordham University, where Trump spent two years before transferring to Wharton. Trump admitted in his first book, The Art of the Deal, that he was a mediocre student, and he had his former lawyer, Michael Cohen, threaten to sue Fordham and Wharton if his grades were ever released. Trump’s degree from Wharton was a mere B.Sc. in Real Estate, hardly an impressive major, and contrary to his claim of being among the top students in his graduating class, the program calendar for his graduation year reveals that he did not graduate with any distinctions whatsoever.

        Tariffs will hurt Canadian exports and damage the Canadian economy, but they will also raise the costs that Americans will pay for food, fuel, electricity and supplies such as lumber and concrete for construction and potash for fertilizers because it is the importer who pays the tariff, not the exporting country. Trump’s 2024 campaign ran and won on reducing the cost of living for Americans, but already, he is balking at being held accountable for his campaign promise, claiming that it will be “very hard” to bring down the cost of groceries.

        • @John, this American, extremely embarrassed and offended by Trump’s ignorant, bigoted rantings, thanks you for your succinct summary. This is going to be an extremely l-o-n-g four years, however long Trump’s health endures.

        • Thank you for your post which expands on everything that goes through my mind whenever I hear Trump bleat on about Canada. It’s fun fair mirror stuff, all wonky, and often the mirror image of the truth. And worryingly malignant!

        • There has been a substantial misreading of the US election. Actually, the seismic shift underway happened last spring in the bluest, most revolutionary districts of the US. San Francisco moved right on drugs and policing in March 2024. Portland Oregon followed San Francisco’s path in August by rolling back decriminalization of drugs. The nation followed suit by every US state moving right in the 2024 election. All 50 states and the District of Columbia moved right.

          It isn’t Trump. It is the end of the transition of power moving from right to left. We are now in the fourth and last stage of revolution. Thermidor. The revolution begun in 2008 is concluding and, if this stage follows the historic pattern, power is going to head in one direction to the right. Even the left will be taking actions to move power to the right.

          With Neptune about to transit Aries, expect more police, more death penalty, and more violence. Aries is new beginnings. Revolutions aren’t beginnings they are endings. The ending of an old system. The Declaration of Independence stepped off a revolution against the monarchy. Then we had war, we had the Articles of Confederation and finally we agreed on the US Constitution. List those documents in order of most left to most right. Power moved from right (monarchy) to left (declaration) and then reversed and went right with a new beginning.

          Taurus Uranus. The parliaments who stood still. The Capricorn Pluto – Aquarius Pluto transit. Governments are falling and new parliaments are rising. Parliaments and Congress are all being remade. Ireland, Iceland, Germany, France, Britain. The EU and USA had fixed elections the rest didn’t.

          The Sagittarius Pluto into Capricorn Pluto ended exurberant expansion and empowered governments. The Capricorn Pluto ended traditional government and empowered parliaments.

          The one who controls the assemblies will be the one empowered. I’m inclined to believe no one person is going to be able to control them although we may have dreams/nightmares of a strong man. Its an illusion. Its assemblies. Aries Neptune. Aquarius Pluto.

          Canada is going to be fine. While most Americans like individual Canadians fine, we find your oy word whisker irritating. You are less environmentally friendly than conservative Americans. You haven’t been able to afford to build enough bridges.

          Your armed forces swear allegiance to a monarch a hemisphere away and our armed forces swear allegiance to the Constitution and also agree to defend it against foreign and domestic enemies. You will fight for your government, Americans will fight our own government for our rights.

          Your puzzle piece just doesn’t fit into our scene.

          Canadians should have no worries that Americans want any part of Canada. Only Alberta would even have a chance at a hearing because there would be some economic benefits.

          Protecting American industry and bringing back manufacturing to America will eventually help Canada. The tariffs are part of a two-fold strategy. Raise protections for American industry and stop policing the oceans and let America’s natural advantages raise up the industrial conditions in the country. Maybe Congress will get the smart idea to axe the Jones Act. Countries dependent on the US to protect the oceans will suffer but Canada’s industry will rise with ours.

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