Will the Musk fallout do damage? Trump in the past has made up with enemies before; and in addition has brushed off allegations and accusations of bad behaviour that would have sunk most politicians.
There is no doubt this noisy parting of the ways has spread confusion and alarm this month since the Inauguration chart is dismayed with tr Uranus opposition the Sun/Neptune midpoint and the Neptune/Pluto midpoint from June 18 to July 6. Ebertin describes the first as sudden upsets, nervousness, spasms, an inner crisis and the second as hyper-sensitive nerves. These repeat November 9 to December 2, and April 2026. Tr Uranus into Pisces from early July on and off into 2026 will also rock the administration’s boat.
And as pointed up in a previous post the Progressed Moon on the Inauguration chart is heading to close the square to Mars to exact within the next few weeks bringing anger and aggravation. By March/April 2026 the Progressed Moon will square the Inauguration Pluto Sun for another blockage.
I have always been intrigued by the Trump/Ghislaine Maxwell relationship chart, surprised that more has not emerged into the open before now. There is an aggravated (and then some) composite Mars Neptune opposition Saturn square Uranus with a yod from the composite Sun inconjunct inconjunct Pluto sextile Mars Neptune. That relationship has been under exceptionally heavy pressure in the past several years and yet nothing much has surfaced.
On both the Trump/Ghislaine Maxwell and Trump/Epstein relationship charts – one degree of Cardinal signs is marked which the tr Saturn Neptune will hard aspect from now into 2026. But whether that will bring anything to light remains to be seen.
Musk and Trump were never a good fit with Musk’s Pluto squaring Trump’s Sun and Moon and Musks’s Mars in Aquarius opposing Trump’s Mars in Leo. The rift is likely to continue with tr Neptune square the composite Sun June 18 to July 6, repeating November and April 2026. With more upheavals from mid 2026 onwards as tr Uranus squares the composite Pluto.
Steve Bannon has always fought a war of attrition with Musk with a power-struggling-for-the-upper-hand Jupiter Pluto conjunction in their relationship chart square Mars. It will only worsen after the middle of this year into 2026 and beyond. Bannon’s relationship with Trump will hit an exceptionally nervy patch in 2026/27.
No dictator appoints a successor so any suggestion of Vance stepping up will not be appreciated. The DT/Vance relationship chart is on red alert and undermined exactly now, which two influences repeat December and mid March 2026. The pair will hit an all-time low late this October to end of January 2026 either because of a personal fallout or because they are facing a career calamity together.
Trump’s relationship chart with the USA has a composite Sun at three degrees Cancer which will catch the tr Neptune Saturn square in 2026/27 which may be the point at which the country wakens up to the disastrous financial and social impact of his policies.
El Aznar: According to Astrotheme, Musk is a double Cancer…….probably has mommy issues.
Wow, only now I see he is yet another Moon in Virgo!
So what’s the cause of the blowup – Big, Beautiful Bill working against Musks’s companies? How?
I wonder what Musk plans to do with his space programme to Mars, seeing as this was wound up with NASA. He has already said that is now ended. But does that just mean he is withdrawing from his partnership with his company or is he planning on going abroad, like in China or India?
@Linda, I am more concerned what Musk is going to do with all of the government data he’s collected.
Also I am sure that his hackers have left backdoors to all of the servers they hacked so they can have access to future data.
Of course the corrupt SCOTUS just ruled that DOGE doesn’t have to turn over the data that they’ve collected.
What a Big Beautiful Mess! This might seem trivial and non-consequential, but is a sign of things eroding at Trump’s WH. I am looking especially at Stephen Miller, who Elon Musk unfollowed over at X. His Solar Return set for Washington DC for 2025/26 has Pluto on MC*, which seems to materialize before our eyes with his spouse Katie (no DOB that I’ve found) siding with Musk professionally and maybe privately.
* Note: I seem to have lost my old astro.com account likely due to an e-mail issues. Nothing I can’t recover in general, but I had Stephen Miller’s data there, and recall both JD and Stephen had Pluto conjunct axis for their 2025/26 charts one was MC, on Desc. I think Miller’s was MC, because I interpreted Vance being more in trouble with relationships.
Hi Solaia
I’m a regular on Astro.com. Happy to help you here.
Name Miller, Stephen Gender: M
born on 23 August 1985 at 16:53 (= 4:53 PM )
Place Santa Monica, California, 34n01, 118w29
Timezone PDT h7w (is daylight saving time)
Data source BC/BR in hand
Rodden Rating AA
Collector: Viktor
Asc: 14Cap22
MC: 4Sco14
Pluto: 2Sco26
@CherS, yes, the info is readily available (thanks to California birth certificate access and astrology being widely practised there, I guess), it is just that it takes some time for me to enter all the profiles again to calculate Returns and such.
If the birthchart is in ADB (Astro Data Bank) then it should take you less than 5 seconds to click the “Add [Elon Musk] to My Astro” which is just below the main data box. Hope that helps.
Musk’s tight chiron / mercury square point to speech outburts. Remember the baseless ‘pedo guy’ attack on the Thai cave rescuer?
He regretted those words and it looks like he might be again. Musk to me, carries a lot of childhood baggage.
@Caroline, that was when I came off fence on Musk having deep issues. I came to know about Thailand’s international driving community after the 2004 Tsunami. They were pivotal in organizing the rescue effort, as well as recovering victims. This is why they are amazingly respected and valued in Thailand, both by the government and private citizens.
Well, but how come you didn’t come off the fence with all the weird behavious through the years and known narcotics use? It is actually sad, and something must have happened to him in the past, maybe during childhood, to cause all this behaviour.
@El Aznar, this was in 2018, BEFORE most of his behavior became public. Tesla was on my radar after “The Guardian” article on working conditions at Freemont site and some layovers, but overall, Musk was considered an eccentric genius and was very popular with tech bros. This is when the Tech Twitter started calling him Leon or Elmo, because using his name would invariably lead into hordes of fanboys piling on people. Even some generally speaking reasonable people I know professionally refused to admit his political views were problematic, to say the least. It was only when he withheld Starlink from Ukraine the tide turned on him in Nordic Countries. I remember a in his mind prominent Finnish blue check mark CEO tweeting Musk about how he was disappointed in him.
Elon had a chaotic childhood by all accounts, and an unpleasant father.
Cancerians tend to lash out when hurt. From memory, the slandered diver made a cutting comment in response to Musks peculiar offer to help the rescue effort. Musk – smarting, responded tenfold. Same with Trump and the Epstein files accusations?
Cancerians hate any whiff of disloyalty or criticism, often keeping a private tally. When overwhelmed by emotions, any bottled-up hurts spill into an emotional tsunami.
Are there any indications of Elon himself entering US politics? Last night he did a twitter/X poll on whether a new political party is needed in US? 81% replied yes.
I don’t think he will enter, Uranus/Saturn conjunction is going to cause him lots of problems over the coming 7 years or so. He also suffered too much reputational damage with his support for Trump. Voters are going to see him as another Trump. If he tries to enter, it’s going to be another failed project like that of his friend Kanye West, who only got less than 60000 votes.
Musk also isn’t eligible to be president because of his birth outside the US — if that’s still relevant in future after Trump’s totalitarian takeover, currently underway in California.
No way. Musk as a candidate would be DOA in the US. He has made his name and brand so toxic, it’s radioactive glowing green.
He also has no charisma whatsoever, unlike Trump, who does have some kind of inexplicable weird charisma he has managed to parlay to devastating effect in the country. But Musk has none of that.
I am not surprised with what’s happening with Trump and Musk feud. We did predict it last year before the elections, that Trump is just using Elon to win the elections, and now Elon is spilling the beans, “Trump won elections because of him” and also “Trump also appears in Jeffrey Epstein files”. Elon being a Cancerian, he is going to spill more, including Trump’s secret financial deals. I wonder how Trump is going to silence him, he already threatened to cut his companies government subsidies and contracts, or probably terminate his US citizenship and deport him, since he was not born in USA. I thought Elon is smart enough to notice what happened with the likes of Michael Cohen, Rudi Giulliani and all the people he used to do his dirty work. Astrologically speaking I don’t see Elon Musk making a comeback, it looks like that Uranus/Saturn conjunction is already affecting him since his birth time is not verified yet.
During their feud his company Tesla market cap dropped by a massive $150 billion, in a single day.
White House released a statement saying Elon Musk is feuding with Trump because the “Big beautiful bill” didn’t include his policies, obviously Elon was expecting rerun of the favor since he is the one who helped Republicans win again.
In Trump’s chart, Saturn is transiting his 7th house currently(enemies) and Pluto in 6th house(colleagues and health), he must definitely watch his back. He is making a lot of enemies and stepping on very powerful people’s toes. People like Elon Musk who have money, Putin, Xi Xingping, King Charles(annex Canada), they are very powerful. They can take him down, or people who are too close to him since Pluto is in the 6th house, he might end up like Julius Caesar. Who was betrayed by his close friend.
Minor correction – both Saturn and Neptune are now transiting Trump’s 8th. The house of power – give and take. Trump has no ‘give’ so if Saturn actually has an effect, it will probably see him be cut off from all those relationships where he has only taken. It’s certainly not hard to imagine a situation where IF he is deposed, everybody is ready to turn against him. (But I’m not predicting he will be deposed)
When Saturn was last here, Wikipedia states “n 1996, Trump fired his bodyguard Spencer Wagner four months after a police officer found Maples and the bodyguard together under a lifeguard stand on a deserted beach at 4:00 a.m. Both Maples and Trump denied that she was having an affair, despite reports in the National Enquirer and other tabloids; the bodyguard himself told conflicting stories about the incident. Maples and Trump separated in May 1997 and divorced on June 8, 1999.”
GD, it occurs to me that the Saturn/Neptune conjunction in Trump’s 8th is synchronous with the promotion of his crypto currency, his so-called memecoin, which from where most people are standing looks highly dodgy to say the least. There was a recent Grauniad article, ‘Roadmap for corruption’: Trump dive into cryptocurrency raises ethics alarm’ which details the potential for favours returned to foreign buyers of the coin as well as the issue os Trump’s shameless promotion while in office. His two sons also have been promoting and benefiting from the scheme. I’m not the smartest investor, but there’s no way I would be dipping my toe into crypto while Saturn and Neptune are transit my 8th house.
JD Vance is in Peter Theil’s pocket. Theil has also been an “on again, off again” ally and partner of Elon Musk. I imagine Trump is probably aware of this and is already trying to marginalize Vance. I would bet that Musk is already in Vance’s ear about how to take Trump down from
the inside, and take over the Presidency using the 25th Amendment. The fault lines in the Trumpworld/MAGA coalition are shaking for sure, and an earthquake—perhaps a series of them—is imminent.
You do realize that at the end of the 25th amendment, if the President notifies Congress he has no inability, it takes a 2/3 majority of both the House and Senate to overturn it and authorize the Vice President to take up the duties. The idea that the 14th amendment can be used against a President’s will is just a propaganda tool of the media to convince Americans that their collective will can be overturned. The will of the voters cannot be overturned easily by a cabal of schemers no matter how much they wish that had that kind of power.
The President would have to be in a coma or so bad mentally that everyone agrees he needs to go. Even in his condition, there is no way Biden could have been removed against his wishes with the 25th amendment and Trump is in an even stronger position than Biden.
Biden was forced out by the Democrat leadership because there was no other way to remove him and they thought he would cause them to lose the election. God only knows what sort of skeletons they threatened him with but knowing how he was in Washington for decades and as a Scorpio stellium in the 12h it must have been bad.
Not 14th, 25th amendment.
Lumiere, do not underestimate this administration. These are not conventional times, and Trump is not a conventional US president. The fault lines are showing in this administration since Musk’s ouster, and there will undoubtedly be a war between factions brewing. We may not see or hear about it at first, but it is there. Much of how things ultimately play out does indeed ride upon Trump’s health.
Clarence, Musk said he didn’t influence only the presidential race, but that the Senate would be 51-49 for Democrats and the House controlled by them too if he hadn’t intervene. And yes, he poured a lot of money specifically to Montana and Pennsylvania Senatorial races, which ended up unseating Democratic incumbents.
This could, of course, be just talk, but I can also see Pennsylvania Governor Shapiro in particular with his presidential aspirations seeing an investigation on Pennsylvania 2024 elections with Musk or someone from his close quarters as testimonies as a good move to boost his visibility, especially as the mood becomes increasingly anti-Trump policies.
When Musk dropped the Epstein bomb during the spat, I’m not sure anyone was all that shocked. So it is interesting as you say Marjorie that the composite Trump/Maxwell chart has Pluto at 25 Leo and that is being triggered by the current fixed Mars/Uranus square, which appears to be connected to unexpected or sudden blow-ups and explosive events, as we’ve seen this week. And the composite Sun at 28 Pisces will be opposite the solar eclipse of September 21st this year. Transit Chiron too is conjunct the Maxwell/Trump composite’s Saturn and opposing its Mars/Neptune in Libra. It is an intriguing connection astrologically with that fated Yod.
It occurs to me that Musk only became part of the Trump inner circle around Aug-Oct last year. That was when transiting Neptune was moving into Trump’s 8th house. And Elon’s Virgo Pluto also sits opposite that 8th house cusp. It’s like Trump brought the wrong guy into his inner circle – Neptune’s veil meaning he didn’t realise that Elon wouldn’t just keep quiet when the power dynamic took over.
VF – “And the composite Sun at 28 Pisces will be opposite the solar eclipse of September 21st this year.” There’s also the Trump/USA composite Neptune, 29 Virgo in line for that Solar Eclipse in September.
What’s also of interest is the Solar Eclipse, 29 Virgo, of 21st September 1987. That’s the year Trump met Epstein apparently. Saturn in Sagittarius approached his natal Moon and Nodes, opposing his Gemini Sun. Jupiter in Pisces that year squared them. Epstein and Trump fell out over a property deal in Florida in 2004. That year tr Pluto in Sagittarius was conjunct his Nodes and Moon on his birthday. The approaching full Moon this month is 20 Sagittarius, close to DT’s birthday. USA Mars is 21 Gemini square Neptune 22 Virgo, which maybe adds another layer to the story and potential scandal.
When Jeffrey Epstein died in August 2019 there’d been an exact square between Jupiter in Sagittarius and Neptune at 18 Pisces in June, two days after Trump’s birthday.
At 20 Gemini is the fixed star Bellatrix, the female warrior, in Orion:
If positive properties can be drawn out, will lead to advancement and success, but those who succeed always have to allow for being surrounded with envy and hatred. Quick decision making, thoughts and plans being realized with energy, courage, fighting spirit, strategic talents, ability to organize, discrimination. Reckless aggressiveness of a belligerent daredevil. [Fixed Stars and Their Interpretation, Elsbeth Ebertin, 1928, p.33.
With Sun: Vacillating, changeable, indecisive in business, mechanical ability, riches and honor but final ruin, blindness by accident, disease, extreme sickness, fevers or violent death. [Robson, p.145.]
With Moon: Luxury, lust, vain ambition, waste, ruin, blindness by accidents, great power, honor and wealth, honor in martial matters, as soldier, surgeon, metal worker; may attain distinction through courage. [Robson, p.145
At 22 Sagittarius is Ras Alhague in Ophiucus:
It has a Saturn like character, and some of the undesirable Venus qualities are also present. Connected with these are Neptunian tendencies, making the native especially prone to infectious contamination caused by toxins.
Elsbeth Ebertin.
This fight could all disappear in a puff of smoke and mirrors. Or not. Trump’s approaching birthday would be a good time to find a graceful solution (!). However, I do wonder what EM may have found while poking about in various official computer systems……