





The 12th like the 8th house is not well understood or well written about in traditional astrology – dismal pointers to prisons, hospitals, forced seclusion used to be the norm.
Below random thoughts from various posts over the years show a different picture.
Michael Gauquelin’s statistical research of successful people found that the 12th along with the 9th houses were the peak zones of intensity and not the 1st and 10th as tradition would assume. He proposed a new system of astrology which was to reverse the ordering of the houses so that the ‘First House’ actually starts at the Ascendant and then runs *clockwise* towards the Midheaven. And there’s a thought for you.
However Gauquelin only worked with ‘successful’ charts not the charts of ordinary people. Most astrologers know people who never really live out their 12th house planets or indeed their chart’s potential to the full. The 12th house temperament may be more to do with ‘faith’ than other placings – not just in a religious/spiritual belief but a faith in themselves. Where that faith is lacking then people just get lost in their Piscean/12th house inner world.
It can be very protective having an inner world to retreat to with 12th house planets but it can also lead to delusion or failure to reality check with the world outside. GW Bush with a Cancer Sun and Saturn in his 12th evidently said recently he didn’t listen to advice but only ever checked with his inner convictions or something along those lines. And Tony Blair, Sun Taurus in 12th, also sailed along on the same lines oblivious to anything the world had to reflect back to him. So you need to be in touch with your unconscious and be conscious of it, not driven by it compulsively.
I’ve always understand the 12th house Sun to be the unavailable father, perhaps through the pregnancy as well as after. GWB certainly had an inaccessible father and Blair’s was unwell for most of his childhood.
What the 12th house can do is lead to a tricky relationship with the ego. The ego being the outer defense and the vehicle through which the inner identity is lived out. Often 12th house Suns don’t get the ego satisfaction that some other placings might give. And a strong ego is the gift at least in part of a good role model father. Being too ego-centred and selfishly ambitious backfires on 12th house Suns.
Evidently Dane Rudhyar said that the twelfth house is the one house that represents not just the unconscious, but the essential person who does not take his identity from relationships or family, career or friends. One significant trait he thought of the persons born with Sun in the 12th is that they are not easily influenced by other people and will stay committed to their own convictions. If early childhood experiences have squashed the person’s self-confidence, they will withdraw inside themself and become introverted or shy.
That makes sense since it is thought that the 12th house does represent to some degree what happened during the mother’s pregnancy. A 12th house Sun suggests a personality formed early in utero, with less input from the mother so better able to stand on their own two feet outside conventional norms. The mark of a success is usually someone who stands out from the crowd and can think out of the box.
Planets in the 12th house often point to what was going on pre-natally. Understanding them can be very helpful since it often explains what is ‘known’ at a subliminal level but is not really conscious. Foetuses soak in a good deal more than is realised from the atmosphere around them.
There is now a growing field of study in pre-natal psychology. Anecdotal stories from the past – of musical mothers playing a tune to a foetus which in childhood can then play it sight unseen; as well as later consequences of more traumatic events in pregnancy – are now being back up by solid research evidence. Heavy stress on the mother during pregnancy leads to the womb being flooded by stress hormones and can lead to dyslexia, stammering, emotional dysfunction and in some cases mathematical genius since the emotional right side of the brain becomes damped down.
Since this in a sense is minus-astrology – i.e. before Day Zero – it does slightly presuppose the baby picks its moment of entry. Or perhaps the universe does in the case of caesareans etc. Gauquelin found that babies who had natural births often had an astrological connection with one or both parents’ charts. Ascendant of one on Moon or Sun of other or other variations.
Years ago I did research on some freeze embryo babies and at the point the embryos were frozen there did seem to be very heavy transits to midpoints involving Saturn and Pluto. That of course is plotting back on the original birth chart so again it is a minus calculation. Doesn’t make rational sense but there might be something in it.
An astro-example from a friend now sadly gone who had Moon Mars in Scorpio in her 12th. Her mother had been left on her own at the end of World War 11 and had walked while pregnant out of Stalinist east Europe into the west. So the mother’s pregnancy must have been fearful, trapped and at an underlying level angry at the circumstances in which she found herself.
It is not always easy to get information about the events/atmosphere around a mother’s pregnancy but is worth pursuing to understand 12th house planets.
It makes a difference which planets are in the 12th which does have an isolationist tendency. Roberto Assagioli who founded Psychosynthesis had a 12th house Pluto Neptune conjunction. He said: ‘We pay attention to the higher unconscious and to the development of the transpersonal self. We try to build an elevator which will allow a person access to every level of his personality. We want to open up the terrace where you can sunbathe or look at the stars’. His stated goal for therapy was “To live as well as possible, and to look at oneself with a smile.”
John Addey, the great astrologer whom chronic illness forced into a more contemplative life with a positive outcome for astrology had Mercury in the 12th conjunct Pluto in late 11th.
But even Sun and other inner planets in the 12th do have a need for inner space. Queen Victoria who had Mercury, Sun, Moon in the 12th withdrew into seclusion for years after her husband Albert’s death. Laurence Olivier, the actor, who was another Sun Mercury in the 12th had ‘stage fright’ for about a decade where he couldn’t force himself to appear.
Liz Greene talks about the need to come to terms with the unconscious when there are 12th house planets. Being comfortable with inner space is crucial. Too external a life will run into the buffers at some point.
Another astrologer once said to me that she thought 12th house planets did not support the ego in quite the same way as other house placings. So individuals with strong 12th houses never quite got the recognition/ego-boost for what they did out of their centre which is where the element of sacrifice comes in. Life has to be lived for the sake of doing what feels right whether or not there is glory attached to it.
‘Their ego feeds off the collective’ is one way of looking at a strong 12th house.
Everyone, even the healthiest psychologically has a False Self – it’s the face put on for the outside world, allowing for a compromise with inner feelings when necessary to tell a friend/the boss/mother-in-law they look great when they don’t. It oils the wheels of practical living.
But where early mothering is badly flawed and the child has to put its True Self firmly into an inner sealed box and play nice for mother, adapting to her needs – essentially putting on a performance for her – then the False Self takes on an undue and unhealthy significance. For some the False Self really is all there is since the inner connection to the True Self has been lost.
Most high achievers and showbiz types (politicians amongst them) are still looking for that approval which wasn’t there when they were young.
Not all 12th house Sun types will be at the extreme end but I’d imagine all of them have a problem being truly themselves when out in the world – so they need to retreat from time to time into seclusion – to stop performing for others and be themselves, i.e. connect to their True Self.
But where personalities have lost all connection to their inner True Self – and possibly even think it doesn’t exist then you get a hyper-active restlessness, a desperate drive to react to the demands of the external reality, while remaining uncomfortable with themselves.
It’s where others get a sense of ‘no one at home’ because what you see with a 12th house personality isn’t actually what’s there deep inside.
What is crucial for 12th house types, who tend to have more porous psychological boundaries than most, is that they get space and peace to themselves along the way, since they’ll easily get overwhelmed by having constant people around.
Where 12th house personalities have lost the connection to their inner Self, they develop a hyper-active restlessness, a desperate drive to react to the demands of the external reality, while remaining uncomfortable with themselves.
Tracy Marks is good on the 12th house. Your Secret Self: Illuminating the Mysteries of the Twelfth House
One of my grandsons is a 12th house Sun Tau, with 12th house Tau NN closely conjunct his Tau asc and Mer R in Aries in the 12th trine 8th house Pluto R in Sag. Definitely a loner, right from when he was a very small child. He appears as a young adult to be quite content in his “loner” world, too. His Mum’s Tau Moon is closely conjunct his Sun. His Mum had pre-eclampsia during the latter stages of this pregnancy and I wonder what bearing, if any, serious medical conditions have on the unborn child.
Myself, I have Jup in Pisces in the 12th conjunct Pisces asc. Like my aforementioned grandson, I am also quite content with my own company. I am one of 8 children, all born within short periods of time near each other, but kept to myself a lot during childhood, by choice and happily!
Interesting topic, Marjorie.
I have Venus in Sagittarius in the 12th sextile Mercury in Aquarius and MC in Libra. This has many levels of meaning. As a teenager, I wrote passionate love letters and sometimes still do. I have had touching relationships with professional superiors who have helped me in my career. I have sometimes been told I had discreet charm of which I am unaware. While I have fallen in love easily, on a deeper level some of these amorous friendships have acquired a striking lifelong spiritual dimension. Also, my religious experience is attracted by female figures such as Mother Mary, Hindu deities or Tara. Finally, I had a major breakdown ten years ago and was kindly brought back by my wife, a psychiatrist and a psychologist, all female. Hospital environments have given me tender care, as well as to my father whom I was close to when he died. My mother and son also have Venus in Sagittarius at the same degree.
I had a horrid time when I was pregnant with my son. I was staying with my in laws and my mother in law is not an easy person to live with. She gave me a really hard time and I just took it all in.
I remember developing this insatiable thirst during that period due to suppression of emotions, I used to drink cups and cups of water until my stomach couldn’t have anymore. I just hate that time.
My son has Jupiter, Venus and Pluto in Sagittarius 12th house. I don’t know how to interpret that.
Mercury Venus conjunct (7 degree orb) 12th house Capricorn (Placidus). I was raised by a single mom and older sister. They were both hospitalized for mental health issues and they both passed away in nursing homes.
Joe Biden and Gordon Brown also have 12th house Suns.
In politicians a 12th house Sun seems to indicate an ability to cloak their true selves.
Biden has the easy-going Sag persona of his ascendant cloaking a ruthless Scorpio Sun.
Also, you’d never guess Blair was a stubborn Taurus. In the 1997 election especially, he came across as a silver-tonged communicator (Gemini asc). Iraq etc came as a shock to those who voted for him.
I have venus and chiron in taurus in 12th House. (7 degree orb). My mother used to say she didn’t ate much during the pregnancy as she was angered by the older subling. I was borned small and weight was just on the dot of the normal weight. Anything lighter I might be hospitalised which might just pissed off the mother. I came to a conclusion sometime last year that my tendency to stock/ hoard food might be due to that Chiron. Hunger during the natal period and also hunger growing up. We were not poverty line poor. But mother just like to prioritised herself and forget about me and my need. It doesn’t help that I have a north node in Gemini in 1st house. (the child that don’t really need the mother sort of which eventually self fulfilled itself.) Once I am older, I learnt to take advantage of trips to supermarket to stock my food stash.
My older brother, a hyperactive child – he probably was adhd and undiagnosed – kept my mother up night after night while she was pregnant with me and she was very sleep-deprived and stressed as a result. I have Uranus/NN/BML there. So I often wonder whether my night owl tendencies stem from that. I’ve mentioned this many times, but with Pluto rising in the 12th I was a home birth with the umbilical cord wrapped around my neck and was blue. So a little brush with Hades even as I was emerging from the womb.
Very interesting as my 12th is Aries and therefore both transiting Neptune and Saturn are entering it this year. I don’t have any planets there (only Chiron) but last time Saturn went through I found “my self”. I never realised I could take the initiative and prioritise what I wanted to over everything else. Was also a lonely time though. I can already feel that separation and self-focus happening again.
Hi Marjorie,
May I request that you consider doing an add-on or a part two that looks at planets that are conjunct the ascendant from the 12th H as opposed to the 1st? In particular, I would be most grateful if you could advise on how to make the most of these placements so that one doesn’t get sucked into the vortex that can come with 12th H energies. Both my sister and I have fixed rising signs with challenging conjunctions: Saturn (my sister) and Uranus (myself) each in the 12th H. As you might imagine, the “mother-wound” for us both has been severe and consequential.
* the natal charts of individuals whose mothers endured stressful and difficult pregnancies
Thank you for this interesting piece, Marjorie.
Regarding what you say about how 12th house planets show up in the natal charts of individuals who endured stressful and difficult pregnancies reminded me of the chart of King James I of England. Although Mary’s pregnancy was not as far as we know physically problematic, the political intrigue and instability and the personal stresses of that turmoil and potential dangers, as well as the jealousy that her husband bore towards Mary’s secretary David Riccio who he suspected of having an affair with Mary, contributed to that strain. Darnley was behind Riccio’s murder which occurred when Mary was 6 months pregnant. Thus in James’s natal chart it is interesting to see the assassin’s signature, a Mars/Saturn conjunction in Leo squaring Venus in Taurus conjunct his Midheaven.
Thanks. Have put his chart above