The Labour leadership, Corbyn and McDonnell, are in a double-bind pulled between their longstanding dislike of the EU and their membership which favours a People’s Vote by nine to one with 90% wanting to remain according to David Lammy MP.
Corbyn’s relationship chart with the EU has a bitterly hostile composite Mars opposition Pluto; plus a deeply suspicious Saturn Neptune square Uranus. McDonnell isn’t much better with a critical Sun Saturn; a power-struggling Pluto Jupiter; plus a few extra crossed stars.
Keir Starmer, the Labour Brexit spokesman is rowing back on McDonnell’s odd claim that any people’s vote wouldn’t include a remain option. McDonnell isn’t winning much through this year and next with tr Neptune opposition his Mars and square his Jupiter/Pluto. Neither is union leader Len McLuskey in good shape with similar. Both pick up momentum somewhat from, 2021/22 onwards.
Keir Starmer, 2 September 1962, looks on better form than most, despite some grind and groan and setbacks through this year and next. He has tr Uranus conjunct his Solar Arc Jupiter from April 2019 for a few weeks; plus a confidently successful tr Pluto trine his Jupiter/Node also from April 2019, on and off till late 2020; and picking up another couple of Jupiters in 2020.
Angela Rayner, 28 March 1980, will get some uplift this December to mid February 2019; and another boost late March; but thereafter she’s into a tangle of setbacks, aggravations, frustrations and disappointments right through till early 2021.
David Lammy, 18 July 1972, will be relieved with lucky breaks mid this October till early November and again in March and will have moments of high hopes and success through 2019/20. But he’s also got uncertainties and then major disasters picking up from mid 2019 with a dead-halt in 2020/21 as his Solar Arc Mars is conjunct his Pluto.
Add on: Keir Starmer’s relationship with both Corbyn and McDonnell is under strain over the time ahead. With Corbyn there’s an evasive and disappointing composite Sun square Neptune which will be under maximum pressure from mid February 2019 onwards for two years; with a real dip before then as well from the final week of October till the New Year over the critical Brexit period with tr Neptune square the composite Mars; with high-tension mid October to early November and again in early 2019 with tr Uranus square the composite Uranus.
Starmer’s interface with McDonnell is much of a muchness with the above with disruptions and upheavals mid October to early November (and early next year) with tr Uranus trine the composite Pluto. And nerves at twanging point early November to early December, again in February 2019 with tr Neptune opposition the composite Neptune.
In both relationships with Starmer there’s an ego-clash – a struggle for the upper hand (with Corbyn) with a Jupiter square Pluto; or only-one-can-win (with McDonnell) with Mars square Neptune.
It’s not just a fight for the soul of the Tory Party going on. Labour as well.
Previous posts on Labour September 2nd and 18 2018
I think labour are committing political suicide when most of the labour wards voted out by the silent majority.The UK were only given the vote as no expected it to be leave.I think now if it happened again the NO would be higher and people outside of London are generally fuming that democracy is being ignored. The country is ripe for a new political party.
Really interesting post. I’m beginning to see a plausible route for a second referendum emerging.
Keir Starmer has confirmed that Labour will vote against any deal Mrs May gets. Whether any deal gets through Parliament will depend on the number of rebels on both sides – but given the statements and actions of the Mogg faction to date, it’s hard to see them backing down. I can’t see the Tories risking a general election – so, a referendum might well be the most logical way out.
I come back to the point that a no deal would bring a severe economic shock and huge disruption to the UK. Whilst it would also have a severe impact on the EU, it would affect the UK much more. That doesn’t tally with Marjorie’s reading of things.
What’s bugging the EU’s finances may not all be brexit. They’ve a heap of problems and no defences against a recession.
Yes. Completely agree.
“One of the ironies of the Brexit debate is that there are large numbers of on both sides of the issue who are advocating policies on the EU that are diametrically opposite to everything else they believe. Sound money conservatives and existing bwealth holders would probably be best off as Remainers with the UK tightly integrated into the Euro while those who advocate running deficits to fund government spending would be better off outside the EU.”
I’ve largely given up attempts to rationalize The UK politics. They whole situation seems, as the British say “bonkers”.
That said, the situation between whether fiscal conservatives should want to stay with EU and people advocating for public spending isn’t this straight forward. EU is actually probably just shifting towards
lesser fiscal rigour with Macron presenting a budget with 25 billion euros tax cuts and 2.9 per cent deficit. Numerous countries have introduced, low key, more “investment friendly” politics. This could not have happened two years ago. But you know, there has been good economic growth within Europe in 2016, 2017 and 2018, and this should still keep going at least for the first half of 2019. We’ve had more to play with.
I’m probably misunderstanding the point Hugh is making, but certainly places like Liverpool, which was on it’s knees during the conservative Thatcher years, was given new life by EU spending projects like Objective 1. But then we live in a “topsy turvy” world these days and people who see themselves as “sound money conservatives” voted for austerity, which wasn’t really austerity but socialist state benefits to the very rich to bail them out of their gambling debts. It’s almost like Conservative/Labour was reduced to that very capitalist concept of brand loyalty, it didn’t do what it said on the tin any more and hence people looking for alternative politics, brexit etc.
You’re right, nothing is straightforward now.
EU member states may be ignoring some of the rules on budget deficits but the Stability and Growth Pact is still EU policy and all but 3 of the 27 EU states have signed up to the Fiscal Compact. In fact it would have been written into the main EU Treaties if the UKs David Cameron had not vetoed the move. More importantly Euro membership means member states cannot print or devalue their way out of economic problems as the Greeks found out. This severely limits the amount of discretion that national politicians have in formulating economic policy
Marjorie
I do wonder about the Labour Party’s new found enthusiasm for another Referendum A check on Hansard shows that the Third Reading of the 2015 European Referendum Bill only 21 Labour MP could be bothered to turn up to vote and only one of them, Dennis Skinner, opposed it. It should be noted that Starmer, Rayner, Mcdonnell and Corbyn were all noticeable by their absence.
Clearly 90% of Labour members have never looked at that Maastricht Treaty Chart where Mars Pluto squares the Labour Party’s 1906 Chart Aquarian Sun and Venus.
Astrology aside any Second Referendum requires Statutory Legislation so there is unlikely to be any Peoples Vote before March 2019 since there is no Queens Speech for 2018. Labour simply does not control the Parliamentary agenda as it is not in government. In addition the UK exit date and time is set to 11 p.m. 29 March 2019 in the EU Withdrawal Act which became law in June 2018. Even if Parliament did want to extend negotiations beyond the Article 50 deadline it is by no means certain that the EU would agree without imposing conditions. In fact I think it is almost guaranteed that that Brussels will make Euro membership conditional on the UK remaining in the EU with all that entails regarding limits on the size of budget deficits that member states can run.
Given that Corbyn and McDonnell know that Labours spending plans are never going to be acceptable to the fiscal conservatives who run the EU it is understandable that they are lukewarm on the idea if another referendum.
The Brexit Chart for 29 March 2019 has Sun Conjunct the Labour Party’s Mars Square Labours Uranus in Capricorn and Neptune in Cancer
One of the ironies of the Brexit debate is that there are large numbers of on both sides of the issue who are advocating policies on the EU that are diametrically opposite to everything else they believe. Sound money conservatives and existing bwealth holders would probably be best off as Remainers with the UK tightly integrated into the Euro while those who advocate running deficits to fund government spending would be better off outside the EU