Will Prince William and Harry put a spoke in their father’s hoped-for plans to make Camilla queen rather than consort when he takes over the throne? Despite their warm support in 2005 when Charles remarried, relations appear to have cooled in recent times, more so when they stepped forward as custodians of their mother Diana’s memory last year. Both the princes have ambivalent feelings about Camilla – some friendly affection mixed with resentment. In both cases’ Camilla’s Saturn Pluto in Leo falls in their 8th house, which does suggest that she or her situation makes them feel trapped.
Harry’s relationship chart with Camilla is possibly the more complicated and volatile, with a warm composite Sun Venus conjunction; but the composite Moon (representing mother) squares Mars and Uranus Pluto. All of that is under disappointing Neptunian transits from March next year onwards for several years.
William’s relationship with Camilla is also fraught with a composite Venus square Uranus Saturn Pluto; though in theory he should respond well to her Cancer Sun, Moon, Venus, being one himself. Their composite Uranus Saturn are being opposed by tr Neptune in 2017/early 2018, before moving on to square the composite Venus in 2019/2020 – so no improvement there either. If anything worsening. Not argumentative, just eroding good feelings. 2021 looks jolted and edgy between them.
Charles is notoriously defensive about his position, disliking being outshone, so his relationship with his successor William has always been on an uneasy see-saw. That chart has a composite needs-space Sun Uranus; a chained-together by duty Saturn Pluto; and a composite Mars Neptune, making the success of one feel like a failure for the other. Again there’s been a Neptunian dissolution ongoing between them with increasing disappointment going ahead.
Charles’ relationship with Harry is complicated and aggravated in a different way with an affectionate Sun Venus; a chilly Venus Saturn; and a frustrating, enraging composite Mars square Uranus Pluto, which must explode every so often. This Christmas will see an enthusiasm-denting tr Saturn conjunct the composite Jupiter, moving on to square Mercury Saturn through 2018; and then square Venus Sun in 2019; with a weakening of the-ties-that-bind in 2019/2020 with tr Neptune square the composite Mars.
Camilla clearly never wanted to be in the spotlight and won’t be pushing to be queen but her life’s work has been to support Charles. She looks panicked and undermined at the moment till January 2018 with tr Neptune square her Mars. It’s 2019 and on when she’s under most pressure with tr Saturn opposing her Cancer Moon, Venus, Mercury, Sun in 2019; tr Pluto starting to oppose her Sun in 2019/2020. And by 2020 tr Uranus is squaring her Saturn, before moving on to square her Pluto for a dramatic upheaval. In 2020/21 her Solar Arc Midheaven will conjunct her Uranus (depending on her birth time being accurate) which would point to that period being the one of radical and unsettling changes in her life. Even her relationship with Charles looks to be moving through swampy times from mid 2018 to late 2019.
Was Philip actually ever declared Prince Consort? I thought that his official title was Duke of Edinburgh. I do agree that the love story is that of Charles and Camilla, rather than Charles and Diana. One wonders what happened if she had survived? As her brother said at her funeral she was complex and could be difficult but she did a lot of good, however it is wrong for people to vilify Charles and Camilla who are equally good ( I don’t think they chose to fall in love whilst they were both respectively in difficult marriages) and people need to accept that. I understand that Camilla is very good and charming at her engagements and we should respect her for that
Did some digging in Wikipedia and found there have been ten queen consorts in Great Britian since 1707. Marie Antoinette was a queen consort in France. Currently, Netherlands, Jordan, Spain, Sweden, Belgium, and Norway have queen consorts.
George I, IV, and Edward VIII had wives who were not queen consort (by divorce, annulment, and abdication).
Three men have been consorts, to Queens Anne, Victoria, and Elizabeth II. None were king consort, with only Albert being Prince consort, and the others being made Duke.
Legislation would have to be passed by Parliament to prevent Camilla from being queen consort, because it is legally automatic now for the wife to be queen consort. However, it has been stated that she may be queen consort but “styled” as Princess Consort.
(Bell ringing) history class is over!
The consort of a Queen is tricky because of the patriarchal assumptions that the King is superior. So the consort is always Prince Consort. Philip was seen as a ‘foreigner’, like Albert, and there were fears with both that they would automatically take charge. With Philip it was especially sensitive in the aftermath of WW2. Fortunately, both Victoria and Elizabeth are strong minded, duty orientated women so the threat was never real.
The tensions in all the Royal Family relationships in 2019/2020 are interesting. Succession is the obvious conclusion but I’m also fearful of the consequences of Brexit affecting the relationship between the Royals and government. I’m not sure Charles and the Princes will hold back if things go very pear shaped for UK.
I think she will be Queen for the reasons you say but she will be as low key as she can be without causing controversy. It seems to me the public has got to get over the fact that the real love story was Charles and Camilla not Charles and Diana.
Good points, Unmystic Mom. No matter what people think of her, Camilla will always be in the history books as the Queen of England, just as Trump will always be the 45th president of the United States.
Unless Parliament acts to prevent it Camilla will become Charles queen consort the moment he ascends to the throne.Or so I have read.Being from across the Pond I could be wrong.
Whether one likes it or not, the consort of the King is automatically Queen. It is not a created position, but one that is automatically acquired, just as the wife of the Prince of Wales is automatically Princess of Wales (which incidentally Camilla is at the moment).
It is just that the title of Princess of Wales is so associated with Princess Diana that Camilla is addressed officially with the title of the spouse of the Prince’s alternative title of Duke of Cornwall (only in England).
In Scotland, the Prince and Camilla are addressed by their Scottish title of Duke and Duchess of Rothesay.
So, in my mind, there is no doubt that Camilla will be Queen, at least from a legal point of view. There is no association of the title Queen with Diana the way there is an association with the title Princess of Wales.
Similarly, Kate will eventually become Princess of Wales, just as her mother-in-law once was. Will she also be addressed as Duchess of Cornwall? I think not.
Not sure about that. It took Philip 10 years to be named Prince consort and he was never King.