The battle of the egos between Elon Musk and Trump has not so far incurred any noticeable damage to their bro-romance. Though Musk’s $250 million contribution to the Trump campaign with an eye to more in the future no doubt plays a part. The recent kerfuffle over the spending deal had led some to conclude that Musk could be used as a effective weapon to pressure Congress and be a scapegoat for any backlash.
Musk born 28 June 1971 7.30 am (biography) Pretoria, South Africa, has a Cancer Sun exactly conjunct the USA Jupiter and square his Uranus. He has a neurotic and changeable Saturn in Gemini opposition Neptune in Sagittarius and Jupiter in Scorpio; with his scandal-prone, overly-hopeful Jupiter Neptune in an influential, lucky sextile to Pluto. Plus an inordinately stubborn Mars and North Node in Aquarius in his financial 8th which is square his 5th house Jupiter (on this birth time).
Tr Uranus moving into Gemini will alter his trajectory considerably -initially with a lucky break from tr Uranus opposition his Jupiter in May and late in the year, though since it is tied into his Neptune it could blow up a scandal caused by his instability through midyear and into 2026 as it moves to conjunct his Saturn. By 2026 his Solar Arc Pluto will square his Mars for a dead-halt, high-risk, enraging meltdown. By 2027/28 tr Neptune will be undermining his Sun by square.
His relationship chart with Trump for all the protestations to the contrary is feeling the strain with a rattled tr Uranus opposition the composite Mars now till mid March 2025; plus an uncertain tr Neptune square the composite Saturn now till early February, and then square the composite Sun in March 2025 and again late October to January 2026. March to early July 2025 and again on and off throughout 2026 tr Pluto will square their composite Neptune for major confusion and panic.
The UK is also in Musk’s sights though for the opposite reason as he warbles on about “Britain is going full Stalin” and opining that “Civil war is inevitable”. He is also promising to give £100 million to Nigel Farage’s Reform Party.
Musk’s relationship chart with the UK hints at distrust, competitiveness, dislike and irritation with a composite Sun conjunct Mars opposition Mercury Uranus; with Sun Uranus square Saturn. There will be ripples of discontent in late March through April 2025 and tr Neptune thereafter opposition the composite Mercury and conjunct the Mars from April onwards for several years will be accompanying a further deterioration in relations.
His relationship chart with Farage has a composite Sun opposition Neptune which suggests a degree of delusion (misplaced idealism) leading to disappointment.
Strange times – a weird trailblazer/Pied Piper.
Add On: There’s an undercurrent of serious dislike on the J.D. Vance/Musk relationship chart with a power struggling Mars square Pluto. It would not come into play in any major way until 2027 – by which time Musk may well be out of the park.
I don’t think Elon Musk’s birth time is correct, but I will still do some research at the South African home affairs department. What’s happening with Trump and Musk looks exactly like what happened in South Africa with ‘State Capture’ under former President Jacob Zuma. The Gupta’s who were business men, were running government and controlling Jacob Zuma, even to the extent of appointing Ministers who were cooperating with them. They then stole billions from government coffers and eventually ran away to Dubai. If you look at Elon Musk chart, you can tel there is something bizarre about him and Trump. He is definitely after something, that is why he wanted Trump to win, such that he can benefit. He is probably blackmailing Trump, maybe even telling him ‘Remember I am the reason you won, and you will do as I say or else’.
Agree on the birth time and if it is possible to get a more accurate one I would be grateful.
@Tshele, agreed that DOGE seems like a huge privatization scam, similar to what they had in former Communist countries. Musk also doesn’t necessarily need to blackmail Trump, it’s sufficient to insinuate he and his family get a cut. I think the the person liaising is Junior, again, as with the Russians in 2015-16.
Here is an interesting cartoon by Musk and Trump featuring the Guptas. It is a coincidence, after I wrote my comment. It was published on http://www.news24.com.
https://www.news24.com/news24/opinions/cartoons/cartoon-by-carlos-guptas-for-trump-by-musk-20241226
I think that if you look carefully Musk looks a bit Chinese, or is it my eyesight?
@ Virginia, I always thought he looked a little Asian.
He doesn’t look like his mom and I have never seen a picture of his father.
Here is Musk’ss Age Harmonic Chart for 53+ years. Trump and America are
currently on the forefront while London is on the back burner, behind scenes.
Musk also has to deal with his image as his Chiron Return is on his MC.
So in order to hear past slights he will be presenting a shining face to
America and the world.
https://ibb.co/0rnhjy8
Musk’s progressed Sun is currently sat on Trumps Mars/Asc and will be for the next year or so. Musk’s Jupiter/Neptune and Saturn are also square that – so I think they are getting on well at the moment because it is the honeymoon period of discovering someone who seems to be in tune with them.
Noting also that Elon’s progressed moon is due to move from Libra to Scorpio in about 7-8 months time. Think we can expect to find that is a gamechanger for him
The dwg of Musk almost resembles Putin…
Marjorie, can you look into the relationship between Musk and Vance, in case there is a change of presidents during this presidential term?
Vance and Thiel are biding their time waiting for Trump’s demise.
The sideshow between Trump and Musk is just extra entertainment for Vance so he has reason to interact with Musk.
One man’s Pied Piper is another man’s Dangerous Megalomaniac.
Um I rather thought that was what a Pied Piper was – an over-promising, con-man, charismatic leader for idiots
A description of the stakes at play as much as the semantics. Also with an eye to the government’s complacency today over his suggested donation to Reform.
Elon Musk is of course not a “natural born” American and so can’t be either the President or the Vice-President. This may be the closest he can actually come to power.
It is interesting to note that his natal Saturn at 1 Gemini is almost exactly opposition his natal Jupiter (27 Scorpio) and exactly opposition his natal Neptune (0 Sagittarius) . That would mean that any aspect would hit all these planets almost simultaneously. There is a certain humour that any aspect triggering Jupiter (a positive) would also trigger Saturn (trials/challenges) simultaneously.
Given that Pluto is at 1 Aquarius and Uranus, Saturn and Neptune are all due to change signs in this coming year, he is going to be in for a rough ride.
I’m tempted to think that tr Uranus opposing his natal Neptune may mean that he may promote or fund new drugs and/or ironically a reform of the US health care system.
Maybe since Musk has now publicly supported the Neo-Nazi party in Germany, it would not mean health reforms but something related to eugenics (Thiel is also interested in that) instead.
@UM – “Elon Musk is of course not a “natural born” American and so can’t be either the President or the Vice-President. This may be the closest he can actually come to power.”
Prez Trump can do anything he wishes. Change the rules, constitution, laws, even manifest destiny. Even annex entire countries.
The 11th house is traditionally the house of Congress, if memory serves. Musk having Saturn there . . . doesn’t appear the US Congress will bend the knee to Musk/Trump as easily as was assumed.
Thank God. Chip Roy (Republican far right) and 38 other republicans plus all the Dems stood up to them. Worth watching his speech. It will be an interesting year coming up.
They are calling him President Musk now over on BlueSky.
Calling them President Musk and First Lady Donald Trump will destroy their relationship I think. I don’t think Trump’s fragile ego could take it.
@Belle, unfortunately, this is where many Trump critics have it wrong. His narcissistic ego will shake away these kinds of insinuations coming from people who are obviously – in his mind – below him. A good example of this was his speech at Turning Point America, where he made it clear Musk CAN’T be or become POTUS because he is naturalized American. This is really his understanding of the power dynamics here. It will likely take Musk to openly defy or upstage Trump internationally to make the relationship go sour.
Trump will throw Musk under the bus as he does with everyone else. Musk has a relationship problem with his own father who was apparently physically abusive to his mother. His father, like Trump was a Gemini and Elon says he’s evil. I personally see him has trying to resolve some of his father issues with Trump. It may take awhile, but there’s always a falling out with Trump and this will be no different.
I personally prefer ‘Presidents Mump’.